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    Coco Crisp Traded To The Royals

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    According to Brian McRae reporting for Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City, the Royals acquired Coco Crisp from the Red Sox for reliever Ramon Ramirez. I emailed McRae to confirm, and he said, "It's a done deal." The Royals get speed and a quality center fielder, while the Red Sox receive a quality late-game reliever.
    This may set up a deal with the Cubs for Teahan or Dejesus..
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    If Dejesus is on the market, the Reds ought to be after him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    If Dejesus is on the market, the Reds ought to be after him.
    I think he's a lefty bat. Of every outfielder in MLB, must the Reds target more lefty bats? Why not address the real need, right handed hitting.

    Reds have Bruce, Votto, and Alonso in the wings from the left side. Dickerson is also left handed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think he's a lefty bat. Of every outfielder in MLB, must the Reds target more lefty bats? Why not address the real need, right handed hitting.

    Reds have Bruce, Votto, and Alonso in the wings from the left side. Dickerson is also left handed.
    Alonso might be in Cincinnati in 2010. Maybe. For 2009 they have Bruce, Votto and possibly Dickerson in the lineup. It's not exactly LH heavy. Dejesus would be a good addition, at least for 2009.

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    Alonso might be in Cincinnati in 2010. Maybe. For 2009 they have Bruce, Votto and possibly Dickerson in the lineup. It's not exactly LH heavy. Dejesus would be a good addition, at least for 2009.
    It depends on your view of the current right handed bats.

    I don't think either EE or Phillips is a cleanup hitter who should hit between Votto and Bruce. I think a better righty bat for that spot is needed. Reds shouldn't have three lefty bats in a row in the middle of the lineup.

    And there's no doubt in my mind that Alonso will be a Reds as soon as possible. He's got a major league contract, they will get him up to Cincy just as soon as they can, so it's very short-term thinking to acquire still another lefty starting player.

    Again, the field is wide open, there are open positions and the Reds can make a play for anyone they want. They might as well go for the righty guys rather than the lefty guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    It depends on your view of the current right handed bats.

    I don't think either EE or Phillips is a cleanup hitter who should hit between Votto and Bruce. I think a better righty bat for that spot is needed. Reds shouldn't have three lefty bats in a row in the middle of the lineup.
    I'm looking to acquire player talent, not player roles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    And there's no doubt in my mind that Alonso will be a Reds as soon as possible. He's got a major league contract, they will get him up to Cincy just as soon as they can, so it's very short-term thinking to acquire still another lefty starting player.

    Again, the field is wide open, there are open positions and the Reds can make a play for anyone they want. They might as well go for the righty guys rather than the lefty guys.
    Dejesus only has two years left on his contract. If Alonso is indeed ready soon enough we can trade Dejesus. His value should be increased by spending a year at GABP and many teams would be enticed by his friendly one year at a low cost contract situation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think he's a lefty bat. Of every outfielder in MLB, must the Reds target more lefty bats? Why not address the real need, right handed hitting.

    Reds have Bruce, Votto, and Alonso in the wings from the left side. Dickerson is also left handed.
    The Reds were .257/.336/.420 against LHPs and .243/.314/.403 against RHPs and RH hitting is the "real need?"

    I don't think so.

    The Reds may very well have RH bats at 2B, SS, 3B and C. If that's the case, then they need LH bats across the OF. Yet more to the point, the Reds need multi-faceted players no matter what side of the plate they hit from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The Reds were .257/.336/.420 against LHPs and .243/.314/.403 against RHPs and RH hitting is the "real need?"

    I don't think so.

    The Reds may very well have RH bats at 2B, SS, 3B and C. If that's the case, then they need LH bats across the OF. Yet more to the point, the Reds need multi-faceted players no matter what side of the plate they hit from.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Yet more to the point, the Reds need multi-faceted players no matter what side of the plate they hit from.
    Exactly. I'd go so far as to say that the Reds need to add talent at any position that the opportunity presents itself.
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    If you can get DeJesus to play LF and hit in the #1 or #2 hole you have done pretty well IMO. LH or not he's a big time asset and underappreciated just a tad in KC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Exactly. I'd go so far as to say that the Reds need to add talent at any position that the opportunity presents itself.
    That's basically my take. Does Dejesus fit the profile of the general kind of player I'm looking for (e.g. multiple skills)? Yes he does.

    I can see taking the stance that you've got your sites set on something bigger in the OF, but I remain skeptical the Reds will acquire an OF better than Dejesus when the dust settles.
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    Re: Coco Crisp Traded To The Royals

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think he's a lefty bat. Of every outfielder in MLB, must the Reds target more lefty bats? Why not address the real need, right handed hitting.
    Reds have Bruce, Votto, and Alonso in the wings from the left side. Dickerson is also left handed.
    The Reds get far more AB/PA against right handed pitching. The Reds need batters that can get on base against right handed pitching. I don’t understand the lone habitual cry in the media for a right handed batter vs obtaining batters that can get on base against right handed pitching.
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    		  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
    Paul Janish	.102 .185 .163 .348 
    Adam Rosales 	.167 .211 .222 .433 
    Danny Richar 	.229 .229 .286 .514 
    Norris Hopper 	.125 .250 .125 .375 
    J. Keppinger 	.225 .265 .284 .550 
    Andy Phillips	.206 .289 .382 .672 
    B. Phillips 	.247 .293 .383 .676 
    Ryan Freel 	.261 .297 .290 .587 
    E. Encarnacion 	.235 .315 .450 .765 
    W. Castillo 	.296 .321 .296 .618 
    Jay Bruce 	.286 .340 .529 .869 
    J. Valentin 	.271 .342 .430 .772 
    J. Hairston Jr. .316 .366 .458 .824 
    Joey Votto 	.299 .370 .510 .880 
    C. Dickerson 	.309 .411 .654 1.065 
    Ryan Hanigan 	.298 .421 .383 .804
    Even part time players such as Hairston and Valentin may not be back, others in the list are mainly small samples. The list against right handed pitching would indicate that the Reds are deficient in batters who can get on base against right handed pitching.

    Batting stats against right handed pitchers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    The Reds get far more AB/PA against right handed pitching. The Reds need batters that can get on base against right handed pitching. I donít understand the lone habitual cry in the media for a right handed batter vs obtaining batters that can get on base against right handed pitching.
    It's like people just see Votto and Bruce's names and don't even pay attention to the splits. I've been saying we need a LH bat for a while.

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    Re: Coco Crisp Traded To The Royals

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I think he's a lefty bat. Of every outfielder in MLB, must the Reds target more lefty bats? Why not address the real need, right handed hitting.

    Reds have Bruce, Votto, and Alonso in the wings from the left side. Dickerson is also left handed.
    I'd like to see a RH masher added to the lineup also - in LF. As far as CF goes, I'm more concerned with defense, OBP and speed in that order RH/LH doesn't matter much to me there. The ability to hit at the top of the order would be very nice bonus, but not a necessity.

    Adding a solid defensive CF who can hit a respectable leadoff, then a big RH'd bat in LF to go with Bruce in RF while moving Dickerson to the 4th OF spot and adding a decent RH 1B/OF to serve as the primary PH would be ideal, IMO.

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    Good pickup for the Royals.

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    If Dejesus is on the market, the Reds ought to be after him.
    Dejesus does a number of things well, but does nothing great. He's a solid performer in pretty much every aspect of the game.
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