Jocketty acknowledges that the market for relievers is inflated so I don't read this article as anything to be overly concerned about. I think he knows what he's doing, and Ghosts of Reds Front Offices Past notwithstanding, I'll remain cautiously optimistic.
"I can make all the stadiums rock."
-Air Supply
Really nothing in Walt's history suggests he'll go ape passed-bananas reloading the bullpen. In fact he's more likely to trade some of the relievers left for needs and then grab an arm or two off the junk heap or slot guys like Thompson and Bailey in pen roles.
Name all of the high 1st round picks, that the Rays drafted themselves, who were on their 2008 team.Originally Posted by RedlegJake
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
How are you defining close games?
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Mann...ie, Mann...ie, Mann...ie!!!!!!
But be sure to put in the form of a question.......
Delmon Young, the player who fell to Tampa because of their draft position, was converted to Garza.
They had a ton of pieces to work with because of their draft position; only recently did they start to pull off the trades that construct an actual team.
If they sustain it, they've got themselves a model. Otherwise, they've benefitted largely from the current drafting model as much as anything else.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
So really you can't comment further on this subject for like, say, another 5 years?
Last edited by jojo; 11-21-2008 at 03:06 PM.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
This is one reason why I hate the Reds current model.
If you are going to suck, you may as well suck big time and be rewarded with a top 5 pick. Trying to "win now" and winning 75 games does nothing except worsen your draft spot and make you unsuccessful in executing your plan.
Be realistic with your expectations and your team will be better in the long run.
FCB, you didn't phrase your answer in the form of a question.......
The 1999 Reds rotation was a season of over performance from average to below average pitchers and Pete Harnisch.
The 2008 Rays have three STUDS at the top of the rotation under 26 years old.
Not even close.
In fact the 2009 Reds have more in common with the 2008 Rays than the 1999 Reds.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
It's an interesting hypothetical. For instance, if their starting third baseman and starting left fielder were both to miss significant stretches during a pennant race. Then lets say their closer would make a couple trips to the DL during the season and maybe even their starting shortstop and starting first baseman would both also spend time there as well. On top of all of that lets suppose that their TOR lefty would barely be able to mamsie pamsie 150 IP. In that circumstance, it would be impossible for them to make the playoffs wouldn't it? Playing in the world series would certainly be a pipe dream?
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Weathers and Reds not done yet
Free agent reliever David Weathers, recently said he had "flipped the page" about pitching again in Cincinnati. However, the Reds and the pitcher's agent still have communication lines open.
"We're still negotiating and still talking," agent Danny Horwits said on Friday.
Horwits, who estimated that a "half-dozen" teams were interested in his client, declined to handicap the odds that the 39-year-old Weathers might return to the Reds.
"In terms of the process, everything is taking care of itself," Horwits said. "Other teams have gotten involved now that the market has opened. We're running through those teams and discussing their interest with David and also keeping the Reds informed."
-- Mark Sheldon
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives..._done_yet.html
The Reds are never going to get rid of David Weathers. He'll pitch for the Reds until he's 60.
Thanks for the nasty comments and distortions. Very helpful.
It is pretty hard to avoid having a top farm system when you have a top-five pick every year for a decade.
Top five in the first round, top five in the second round (almost like getting another first rounder), top five in the third round...
Getting great prospects in the draft every year is a great way to make a front office look smart. That is how they can be so foolish as to lose a super-stud like Josh Hamilton for nothing and still have lots of talent to spare.
Since the Reds have not gotten top-five picks at nearly the rate of the Rays it really isn't feasible to expect the Reds to follow the Rays' "model" with any hope of success.
That's a perfunctory look at the Rays that doesn't provide enough depth to offer any real analysis.
There's nothing nasty meant by this statement either.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
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