There is no way someone like him should be able to keep playing as well as he has played as a non drafted free agent from some no name college
He is breaking the norm
Thats what I meant
Alex Buchholz
Dallas Buck
Carlos Fisher
Ismael Guillon
Ryan Hanigan
Chris Heisey
Danny Ray Herrera
Sean Henry
Evan Hildenbrandt
Jeremy Horst
Ben Jukich
Sam Lecure
Robert Manuel
Adam Rosales
Jordan Smith
Juan Carlos Sulbaran
Justin Turner
Pedro Viola
Brandon Waring
Sean Watson
Travis Wood
There is no way someone like him should be able to keep playing as well as he has played as a non drafted free agent from some no name college
He is breaking the norm
Thats what I meant
Heisey again for me too.
I am nearly as high on him as JayBruceFan.
Jeremy Horst 2007, Billings: 11.5 K/9, 4.9 B/9, 48.0% GB%
Jeremy Horst 2008, Dayton: 9.7 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 52.9% GB%
He's a 6'4" lefty without overpowering stuff, but gets results. Reminds me of Matt Maloney v2.0, except with ground ball tendencies. I'd like to see him moved up to AA if he has a good couple of months in Sarasota. He'll be 23 next year, let's see what he can do against better competition, because he was flat out dominant in Dayton.
Shooter, I get feeling you like big lefties. I like Horst a lot too, but I probably won't vote for him until around 23. I plan on voting for Dallas Beck next if Fisher wins this poll.
I've been voting Hanigan for a while now. I think he's going to make more of an impact than several who are already voted on the list. Fisher will be a good ML reliever and Hanigan will be a good ML catcher. That's no contest.
sulbaran all day...... most upside IMO
Undrafted no college at all Mike Piazza says hi.
Where a guy was drafted and where he hails from means squat-diddly once his career begins. High picks get early love but they still need to produce. Low picks and undrafted guys usually take longer simply getting recognized as serious prospects. Knocking Hanigan at this point because he wasn't originally drafted is silly - really, really silly. All he's done in two brief stints in the majors and a long look at AAA is play good defense, provide a good OBP, and make the most of his abilities rather than trying to be something he's not. I don't vote Hanigan simply because I no longer see him as a prospect. If he isn't the Reds catcher, either backup or full time, then he's done for all intents and purposes. IMO, he's a better than average defensive catcher, and offensively - he's league average what he gains in a good OBP he gives up with low slugging but his OPS will still put him in the middle of the pack in 2009. As Doug noted, he's good for 2-3 years, an excellent backup, a workable 2/3rds of the games starter. The only point I think he slips a lot is if he has to catch 125 games or more. Keep him between 80-120 starts and I think he's solid.
Mike Piazza was drafted, but it was only as a favor.
Doug and Jake, why do you expect only 3 years max out of Hanigan?
I don't see 3 years max, I just don't see him keeping a starting job for more than that because he isn't ever going to light up the league and he fits the ideal backup role much better than he does the starting role and given he is going to likely get his first real MLB time at age 28, it doesn't project well that he gets a whole lot of time as a starter.
Yeah, as Doug says, I think he'll have a longer career overall but his best years for starting are already shortened because he's older coming in - he's an ideal backup - I think he can be workable as a primary catcher if he has a catcher who can spot him 50- or so starts a year but he'll always be eyed as a target for an upgrade just for his lack of power as much as anything.
Turner's my vote, performance means more to me than speculation! And Turner has done nothing less than perform!
That is my thinking with Heisey
Gotta love speculation over actual performance
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