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  • Alex Buchholz

    12 14.46%
  • Dallas Buck

    8 9.64%
  • Ismael Guillon

    2 2.41%
  • Ryan Hanigan

    14 16.87%
  • Chris Heisey

    10 12.05%
  • Danny Ray Herrera

    0 0%
  • Sean Henry

    0 0%
  • Evan Hildenbrandt

    4 4.82%
  • Jeremy Horst

    1 1.20%
  • Ben Jukich

    0 0%
  • Sam Lecure

    5 6.02%
  • Robert Manuel

    3 3.61%
  • Adam Rosales

    4 4.82%
  • Jordan Smith

    0 0%
  • Juan Carlos Sulbaran

    8 9.64%
  • Justin Turner

    8 9.64%
  • Pedro Viola

    1 1.20%
  • Brandon Waring

    1 1.20%
  • Sean Watson

    0 0%
  • Travis Wood

    2 2.41%
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    Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Redszone's Top Prospects

    Prospect #1 - Yonder Alonso
    Prospect #2 - Todd Frazier
    Prospect #3 - Neftali Soto
    Prospect #4 - Drew Stubbs
    Prospect #5 - Chris Valaika
    Prospect #6 - Kyle Lotzkar
    Prospect #7 - Daryl Thompson
    Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco
    Prospect #9 - Juan Duran
    Prospect #10 - Chris Dickerson
    Prospect #11 - Devin Mesoraco
    Prospect #12 - Danny Dorn
    Prospect #13 - Yorman Rodriguez
    Prospect #14 - Zach Stewart
    Prospect #15 - Josh Roenicke
    Prospect #16 - Ramon Ramirez
    Prospect #17 - Zach Cozart
    Prospect #18 - Matt Maloney
    Prospect #19 - Carlos Fisher
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    I seen the previous poll was closed a few hours ago and OBM wasn't around so I thought perhaps he may have went away for the Holiday or something so I went ahead and took it upon myself to add it. I didn't add anyone to the previous list I just subtracted Fisher and left the list at 20 even.

    Sorry OBM, I couldn't wait.
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    I'm going Adam Rosales, he is a guy who can hit for avg & power w/ discipline and play better than average defense in more than 1 spot. No he's not super talented in any one area but he has no significant flaws and he already has touched the bigs. I think this guy could eventually become a starting major league 2B and a fine one at that.

    I figure it like this if you like Justin Turner, Ryan Hanigan, Heisey and the like then really Rosales should be your pick here as neither have anything on him as far as I'm concerned. Rosales even still has a little upside which should make him a far better pro than Hanigan (even with the premium position) and nothing about Turner's game is better at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    and nothing about Turner's game is better at all.
    I have to disagree about Turner's game. I can think of a few things that are better than Rosales at this point. I think Turner is better defensively. He turns the best double play in the Reds farm system. He can play LF,RF,3B,SS,2B,1B. The Reds have had him play all these positions. He could even C if they needed him to. I think one of the reasons Valaika is still at SS is because they have Turner at 2B and is a far better defensive player on the right side of the diamond. Turner's offensive number are pretty good too.

    Fact: Turner has put up better numbers in the minors than Rosales. Turner has hit .300+ in 2 out of 3 years. Rosales has hit 300+ in 1 out of 4.
    Turner .310/.377/.445/.822
    Rosales .285/.360/.484/.844

    I wouldn't say "nothing about Turner's game is better at all". The numbers don't lie. I like Adam Rosales. I've seen him play and I love his approach and the way he play's the game. Turner and Rosales are both "Baseball Players".They don't have all the tools but they play the game right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed07 View Post
    I have to disagree about Turner's game. I can think of a few things that are better than Rosales at this point. I think Turner is better defensively. He turns the best double play in the Reds farm system. He can play LF,RF,3B,SS,2B,1B. The Reds have had him play all these positions. He could even C if they needed him to. I think one of the reasons Valaika is still at SS is because they have Turner at 2B and is a far better defensive player on the right side of the diamond. Turner's offensive number are pretty good too.
    That's fine that you think Turner's defense is better, but that doesn't stand as proof that he is. Rosales has also played the positions you listed so I don't understand your point there.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed07 View Post
    Fact: Turner has put up better numbers in the minors than Rosales. Turner has hit .300+ in 2 out of 3 years. Rosales has hit 300+ in 1 out of 4.
    Turner .310/.377/.445/.822
    Rosales .285/.360/.484/.844

    I wouldn't say "nothing about Turner's game is better at all". The numbers don't lie. I like Adam Rosales. I've seen him play and I love his approach and the way he play's the game. Turner and Rosales are both "Baseball Players".They don't have all the tools but they play the game right.
    I'll give you BA but Rosales has more pop and as much if not better plate discipline. That makes him the better offensive player at least potentially. Rosales can improve/maintain his BA and is more likely too because he has more power, it's not a given to be sure but Turner's lack of power at the major league level makes him a marginal starter at best. Not only that but Rosales has already conquered AAA which Turner hasn't even stepped foot into yet. So at worst it's a push (if Turner is definitively better defensively in all those spots) but it's quite a bit more likely Rosales is the better eventual player.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Not only that but Rosales has already conquered AAA which Turner hasn't even stepped foot into yet. So at worst it's a push (if Turner is definitively better defensively in all those spots) but it's quite a bit more likely Rosales is the better eventual player.
    Conquered AAA with a .287/.339/.463 line as a 25 year old?

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    I'm still here. I was planning on starting the next one when I got home tonight or in the morning.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'm still here. I was planning on starting the next one when I got home tonight or in the morning.
    My bad, just figured I'd give you hand just in case you were gonna be away for a day or so.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    No problem.

    I went with Dallas Buck. If Buck can regain his low 90's fastball, he's got a chance to develop into a #2 starter IMO. He's got strong groundball tendencies and a solid slider and changeup to go along with his fastball. I expect him to start in Double-A Carolina with a chance to reach Louisville by the end of the season.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    hope people don't mind but i had a couple questions:
    it may be january before the rest of the prospects are ranked so of the top 20 what do people think of the fact that only 2 of the top 13 prospects are pitchers?

    also, again of the top 20, how many would you see have a ceiling of an above average or elite major league player and how many do you think have a ceiling of an average or part-time player?

    edit: woops, i probably should've waited til the 20th prospect was picked. well anyway, thanks in advance for any opinions or relevant pms.
    Last edited by redsfandan; 11-27-2008 at 03:38 PM.
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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    it may be january before the rest of the prospects are ranked so of the top 20 what do people think of the fact that only 2 of the top 13 prospects are pitchers?
    I think it looks worse than it is. We have young pitching in the majors, plus Homer Bailey. Still, you're right that we could use some low-level arms.

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    Dallas buck for me

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    My man again: Hanigan

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Alex Buchholz can flat out hit. Not only that, he had 16 walks in 150 plate appearances which makes me think he has good plate discipline. I expect a rapid rise through the minors next year for him.

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    Re: Who is Redszone's #20 Prospect?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    Alex Buchholz can flat out hit. Not only that, he had 16 walks in 150 plate appearances which makes me think he has good plate discipline. I expect a rapid rise through the minors next year for him.
    I agree I love Bucholz's game but feel like I need to see more & at higher levels before I put him above the likes of Rosales.
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