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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    Yeah, but that rug could really tie the room together.
    I have a cat that has decided to start peeing everywhere in the house. How does he fit into the Hernandez trade rug analysis?
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    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

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    And back to the original question. Lets assume the Reds have indeed upgraded from 19th in the majors offensively at catcher last season to 15th offensively this year. How much of the gap have they made up between where they were last season and what it would take to make the playoffs this season?

    Given the answer to that question, what to they have to do to make up the rest of the gap?
    I'll answer that. We aren't going to make the playoffs in 2009. Not going to happen.

    So, then we have to ask ourselves if improving the team to maybe 500 is worthwhile (vs selling off every asset, and losing 100 games while rebuilding).

    Well, the team has stunk for a long time. We need to try and rebuild the fan base. We need to give longterm fans like me a little hope and a reason to follow the team. I almost completely ignored the Reds for the last 60 games of 2008. That's the first time in my life I did that. I intended to go to the GAB this year, but the team was so bad and boring that I couldn't justify wasting a Saturday driving down to Cincy and dealing with all the headaches of managing my family on an outing like that. So we went to minor league games instead.

    Remember, the Reds are in a business to sell tickets and get a better TV contract the next time around. That's how they make their money. Improving the team with minimal payroll impact will hopefully boost revenue and the fan base. It's just good business.

    If the Reds can hit 500 this year, I will be very pleased.
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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    I have a cat that has decided to start peeing everywhere in the house. How does he fit into the Hernandez trade rug analysis?
    Skined and flattened?

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    I have a cat that has decided to start peeing everywhere in the house. How does he fit into the Hernandez trade rug analysis?
    I dunno but I guess you shouldn't go answer the phone with your refrigerator standing open.
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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Thank God they actually play the game so all this math can be quantified. Otherwise I'd find all this really boring.

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    Skined and flattened?

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    No kidding. All 9 lives would be used up in short order.

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

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    I'll answer that. We aren't going to make the playoffs in 2009. Not going to happen.

    So, then we have to ask ourselves if improving the team to maybe 500 is worthwhile (vs selling off every asset, and losing 100 games while rebuilding).

    Well, the team has stunk for a long time. We need to try and rebuild the fan base. We need to give longterm fans like me a little hope and a reason to follow the team. I almost completely ignored the Reds for the last 60 games of 2008. That's the first time in my life I did that. I intended to go to the GAB this year, but the team was so bad and boring that I couldn't justify wasting a Saturday driving down to Cincy and dealing with all the headaches of managing my family on an outing like that. So we went to minor league games instead.

    Remember, the Reds are in a business to sell tickets and get a better TV contract the next time around. That's how they make their money. Improving the team with minimal payroll impact will hopefully boost revenue and the fan base. It's just good business.

    If the Reds can hit 500 this year, I will be very pleased.
    While I agree with your points, personally, I'll be disppointed if he Reds aren't at least in the WC hunt.

    It's still early in the off-season and, so far, I think Walt has made some good moves. However, LF, SS and a platoon partner in CF still need to be addressed. The ability or non-ability to upgrade at those positions will, IMO, determine how competitive the Reds will be this year.

    Much like Castellini, I'm tired of loseing and I want to see Walt go for the playoffs. NOW!

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    I have a cat that has decided to start peeing everywhere in the house. How does he fit into the Hernandez trade rug analysis?
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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Much better than death or ouster, especially if you love the little guy.

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    While better players are always the goal, I certainly didn't sense any kind of major undercurrent in this thread about how the Hernandez deal was a negative for the team.
    I don't think there's been one coming from you, but the way I've read a number of posts in this thread is there's a concealed rubber chicken poised to whack folks over the head.

    A discussion of win value seems as premature to me as prognostications that the Reds could be a surprise contender next season. There's too many bodies yet to be added. More than that, I don't think we've got all that good a fix on the state of the Reds heading into this offseason given all the late season trades and injuries.

    In a lot of ways Hernandez adds 20 RC to ???. So some of the talk in this thread about how many wins have been won or lost in a work in progress has me wondering "Why are we rushing there?" It's the kind of point we usually see when the argument is that the club has moved backwards or in the wrong direction - e.g. they're not going to get there doing this.

    Yet, I think, the general consensus was the Reds needed to add a catcher and that Hernandez, theoretically, pushes the enterprise in the right direction (if not terribly far in that direction). And I would hope most people realized that the Reds weren't going to get much more than a #7 hitter at catcher. Anyway, something's coming off dissonant in some of the posts (again, not yours, at least to me). Maybe it's just that we've all spent so much time together we don't hear each other anymore or we don't know how to agree with each other.

    Though I'm going toss a new log onto the fire here. Part of the rationale behind this move is that the GAB will put some extra Vitamin HR in Hernandez's diet. I think we all tend to add 5 HR to whomever the Reds might acquire and then speculate that could pick up the player's OB as well.

    Yet should we? Is it an across-the-board SLG elevator? Or are some players not going to get a boost? More than that, how sound is it from a competitive standpoint thinking the park might make the man?
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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Thank God they actually play the game so all this math can be quantified. Otherwise I'd find all this really boring.
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    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    I have a cat that has decided to start peeing everywhere in the house. How does he fit into the Hernandez trade rug analysis?
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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Thank God they actually play the game so all this math can be quantified. Otherwise I'd find all this really boring.
    Let's put this into perspective: if they don't play the game there is no math to be quantified.

    Crazy. Talk

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

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    Much better than death or ouster, especially if you love the little guy.
    For the record, I was merely "spouting off" about death for the kitty. I can't kill anything. That's why we don't raise pigs or cattle at our place. I will admit I'd be pretty miffed at him if he was peeing everywhere though.

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    Re: Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez

    Though I'm going toss a new log onto the fire here. Part of the rationale behind this move is that the GAB will put some extra Vitamin HR in Hernandez's diet. I think we all tend to add 5 HR to whomever the Reds might acquire and then speculate that could pick up the player's OB as well.

    Yet should we? Is it an across-the-board SLG elevator? Or are some players not going to get a boost? More than that, how sound is it from a competitive standpoint thinking the park might make the man?
    I've looked at Ramon's hit chart for 2008 in Camden Yards, and I'd say the answer may be yes. It looks like he does a real good job going to RF, and he showed solid power to RCF, particularly tending to the CF side of RCF, where Camden is a lot deeper than GAB. I think he's got a decent chance to get back over 20 HR. From the few highlights I've seen of the guy -- I have seen very little of him over the years -- he's got a solid, compact stroke with quick wrists. I'm optimistic about what he'll do at the plate.
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