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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    If Freel gets traded, who platoons with Dickerson in CF?

    1. I'd make the trade for Hernandez. He could hit 20 homers at GABP. Wish he was a better defender, but he's an experienced catcher probably compliments Hanigan OK.

    2. Freel for Hernandez is a fair swap from the Reds viewpoint.

    3. If Freel goes, the Reds will have to acquire some outfielders. My guess is that Hairston signs and they deal for another guy.

    4. Don't discount the possibility that Dickerson platoons in left field rather than center. Reds had numerous opportunities to play him in center in September and usually played him in left. Even with Patterson around, if you really want to try out a centerfielder, you play in center sometimes.

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    If Freel gets traded, who platoons with Dickerson in CF?
    Hopper? Free agent? Hairston if he is brought back?

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Hairston would make the most sense.

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Fay -

    Here's the first decent rumor I've heard: The Reds and Orioles are talking about a Ryan Freel-for-Ramon Hernandez trade.

    It makes sense: The Orioles would like to move Hernandez's $8.5 million salary. The Reds would like to move Freel's $4 million salary. The Reds are looking for a front line catcher. The Orioles need outfield and utility help.

    Hernandez, 32, hit .257/.308/.406 last year. He did not have a good year defensively.

    Stay tuned. May be nothing, but I've heard from people on both sides. That's usually a good indication that something is happening.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    I'd do it
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    7:50 p.m. O's trying to deal Hernandez

    The Orioles and Reds are discussing a trade that would send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati in exchange for Ryan Freel and a mid-level prospect, but the deal cannot be completed unless the Orioles pick up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary, major-league sources say.

    Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.

    The possibility of a trade was first reported Monday by the Cincinnati Enquirer and other outlets.

    The Orioles have been trying hard to purge Hernandez, who batted .257 with 15 home runs and 65 RBIs in 133 games last season. --Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072

    And a mid-level prospect? No thanks. I'd do Freel for Hernandez but I wouldn't throw in a solid prospect.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

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    7:50 p.m. O's trying to deal Hernandez

    The Orioles and Reds are discussing a trade that would send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati in exchange for Ryan Freel and a mid-level prospect, but the deal cannot be completed unless the Orioles pick up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary, major-league sources say.

    Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.

    The possibility of a trade was first reported Monday by the Cincinnati Enquirer and other outlets.

    The Orioles have been trying hard to purge Hernandez, who batted .257 with 15 home runs and 65 RBIs in 133 games last season. --Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072

    And a mid-level prospect? No thanks. I'd do Freel for Hernandez but I wouldn't throw in a solid prospect.
    I wouldn't give 'em much either- maybe a guy like Shaun Cumberland or Brandon Waring.

    I'm also starting to get concerned over all of these economic talks- I have no problem with not wanting to pay Hernandez's salary, but economics were brought up in the Dye rumor as well. I hope Castellini is not Lindner Redux.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    7:50 p.m. — O's trying to deal Hernandez

    The Orioles and Reds are discussing a trade that would send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati in exchange for Ryan Freel and a mid-level prospect, but the deal cannot be completed unless the Orioles pick up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary, major-league sources say.

    Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.

    The possibility of a trade was first reported Monday by the Cincinnati Enquirer and other outlets.

    The Orioles have been trying hard to purge Hernandez, who batted .257 with 15 home runs and 65 RBIs in 133 games last season. --Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072

    And a mid-level prospect? No thanks. I'd do Freel for Hernandez but I wouldn't throw in a solid prospect.
    I'd have to think the O's might want a SS, they have been after Cesar Izturis in FA which tells me that Paul Janish couldn't hurt to toss in but not Zach Cozart and definitely not Valaika.

    It'd really be a boon if they took Kepp and Freel and maybe tossed us a prospect, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

    I got it Gonzo straight up for Hernandez!
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Absolutely nothing more than Freel, and even then I'm not real thrilled. That's a decent chunk of salary to take on, even subtracting Freel's salary.

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Absolutely nothing more than Freel, and even then I'm not real thrilled. That's a decent chunk of salary to take on, even subtracting Freel's salary.
    It sounds like the Reds would be adding a prospect so that the salary difference would be virtually nil. I would include a Waring, Cumberland, or Rosales in order to make those salaries a wash.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    It sounds like the Reds would be adding a prospect so that the salary difference would be virtually nil. I would include a Waring, Cumberland, or Rosales in order to make those salaries a wash.
    I wouldn't include Rosales but the other 2 wouldn't hurt any.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Rumors that Freel and Bailey being traded away is like an early Christmas present. And getting major league talent in return!! Lordy!!! Add Majewski and I'll know there is a Santa.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    7:50 p.m. O's trying to deal Hernandez

    The Orioles and Reds are discussing a trade that would send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati in exchange for Ryan Freel and a mid-level prospect, but the deal cannot be completed unless the Orioles pick up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary, major-league sources say.

    Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.

    The possibility of a trade was first reported Monday by the Cincinnati Enquirer and other outlets.

    The Orioles have been trying hard to purge Hernandez, who batted .257 with 15 home runs and 65 RBIs in 133 games last season. --Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072

    And a mid-level prospect? No thanks. I'd do Freel for Hernandez but I wouldn't throw in a solid prospect.
    My guess is the second player would be used as leverage for the Os to pick up the difference in salary.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    My guess is the second player would be used as leverage for the Os to pick up the difference in salary.
    Gary Majewski

    Frankly though, I'd be surprised to see us trade Freel due to our lack of CH depth. I still think the Reds would be smart to consider having Bruce play CF if Dickerson isn't the guy. He may be a RF from age 24 or 25 on, but let's get the most value out of him while we can.
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    Re: Trade Idea- Freel for Ramon Hernandez?

    I'm not so sure I want Jocketty to do this deal now. Hernandez only threw out 19.5% of base stealers last season and just 22.7% the year before. I'd much rather go after someone like Miguel Montero or Chris Snyder, even if it means giving up Homer Bailey.
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