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    Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    At this point, it looks like we'll have to reach to find a SS. Either overpaying for a FA or giving too much away in a trade. Trust me, I would like nothing more than for the Reds to find a legit, young SS. But I just don't see it happening. Last report was that Alex Gonzalez would be ready for spring training. Going into the season with him as the starting shortstop is akin to playing Russian Roulette, but it might happen. And the Reds might think they have decent depth at the position with Keppinger, Janish and maybe even Valaika (I know most think he will be a 2B in the Bigs, but he's been a SS in the minors up to this point).

    I could see the Reds waiting out the final year of A-Gon's inflated contract before going after a big-time SS next offseason. Actually, I hope I'm wrong, I would like to see a solution this season. But considering Gonzalez is on the books for $5 million and there are other options available behind him, I could definitely see our Reds standing pat.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    My thoughts exactly. Most of the options out there are no better than what they already have.
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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    If he's healthy enough I'd be willing to give A-Gon the playing time.
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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    I've thought since the beginning that they'd end up staying put on the SS situation. The only change I can even POSSIBLY see is moving Phillips to SS. And even that I think is a stretch. I'd LIKE to see it, but I don't think it will happen. I think they'll bide thier time and see what we've really got in the minors in terms of SS, 3B & 2B as in who holds onto what positions.
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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    I've said for a bit now that shortstop was at the bottom of the list. Gonzo without the family problem and injuries would have been fine. If something comes along, without a heavy price tag, I think they'll try something else, but it won't be until Spring Training, IMO. There remain other higher priorities.
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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Bat Janish 8. At least the defense will be good at an important position.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    I don't believe that shortstop is a huge issue for the 2009 season.

    If we happen to nab one between now and Opening Day, fantastic! But I think there are more pressing needs to address. Catcher (which was addressed), a run producing bat to play left field and another starting pitcher are my priorities. Shortstop would fit in after those three.
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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I've said for a bit now that shortstop was at the bottom of the list. Gonzo without the family problem and injuries would have been fine. If something comes along, without a heavy price tag, I think they'll try something else, but it won't be until Spring Training, IMO. There remain other higher priorities.
    how can it be at the bottom of the list. we don't have anyone on the 40 man roster who can play the position defensively other than Janish and he can't OPS .600

    walt states Gonzo is his man for 2009. i am not sure Gonzo will play again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    how can it be at the bottom of the list. we don't have anyone on the 40 man roster who can play the position defensively other than Janish and he can't OPS .600

    walt states Gonzo is his man for 2009. i am not sure Gonzo will play again.
    Precisely my take on it.

    It doesn't matter how much we are paying AGon, there are serious questions whether he will be healthy enough to play next year, and if he can, whether he can still provide anything resembling above average defense. Even in the best case scenerio, you aren't getting more than 120 games out of him.

    It doesn't matter whether Jeff Keppinger and/or Hairston (if re-signed) manned the position last year. I doubt if you could find even a handful of scouts that think they are even passible defensively. Neither should play shortstop except in an absolute emergency.

    So we are left with Janish. If he can provide near gold glove defense and Dusty can resist the urge to bat him 2nd, then maybe that resembles a plan. But even then you need a SS at AAA.

    The way I see it they need to acquire one above average defensive shortstop. That shortstop will either get significant playing time for the Reds or will play every day at AAA. It doesn't have to be a long-term-solution type of guy, although that certainly would be nice.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    I don't get it...Keppinger is no Ozzie Smith and no Cal Ripken for that matter but the fact is he made the routine play, turned the double play, and was "our" best right handed hitter(before injury). Kepp was the one guy we could count on to put the ball in play(still for a high average) in the midst of a bunch of strike out artists.

    If I'm filling out the depth chart and taking into consideration Gonzo's injury and time since he last played he's behind Kepp until he shows he's back to form(which if I recall most here seemed to think was overrated to begin with).

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    walt states Gonzo is his man for 2009. i am not sure Gonzo will play again.
    While I have my doubts about how good Gonzo will be next year, the Reds have his medical records and we don't. I think they have a much firmer grasp on his health than we do.

    The more I think about it, the more I think we stand pat at shortstop.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Well he is a slightly above average fielding shortstop according to UZR and the Fielding Bible. This upcoming season Marcel projects him to have a .743 OPS this season, I don't know where to find Bill James projections. I am a member of his site but I don't know if he posts them on there of it they are released only in his book.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    While I have my doubts about how good Gonzo will be next year, the Reds have his medical records and we don't. I think they have a much firmer grasp on his health than we do.
    While that may be true the most recent report is that he is not going to be playing winter ball as planned. That seems to me to be a bad sign.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    While that may be true the most recent report is that he is not going to be playing winter ball as planned. That seems to me to be a bad sign.

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    If they don't think he will make it back then I'm sure that they are searching for a SS. It seems we have a competent GM right now. If Gonzalez can come back and play above average SS and hit .260/.325 I think we could manage if we fill the spot in LF.

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    Re: Any chance Reds stand pat at SS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rounding Third View Post
    If they don't think he will make it back then I'm sure that they are searching for a SS. It seems we have a competent GM right now. If Gonzalez can come back and play above average SS and hit .260/.325 I think we could manage if we fill the spot in LF.

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