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    Specific Action Plan

    Now that the meetings are over and the catching situation has been resolved, what specific moves would you make for the remainder of the offseason? Signings, trades, etc. Try to be as realistic (and specific) as possible.

    I'll offer mine later today...
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Now that the meetings are over and the catching situation has been resolved, what specific moves would you make for the remainder of the offseason? Signings, trades, etc. Try to be as realistic (and specific) as possible.

    I'll offer mine later today...
    Get a shortstop, another starter, a center fielder, and a left fielder.

    Trade something for Elvis Andrus and Eric Hurley. Sign Milton Bradley. Decide is Dickerson is your guy in center and if not, you need to get someone that can play there everyday.
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    I kinda feel like the time for us to wish for certain things is over. I have to believe that the course is damn near set. I don't know how we don't end up with Taveras as much as we all hate to admit it to ourselves. The only question now is how stupid will the F.O. people be when agreeing on years on his contract 1 or more (I think 2 is almost a gaurantee, sadly) I also don't see us getting the SS that makes sense for us. If we do sign Taveras I suspect Hairston will sign elsewhere. I think Wigginton makes some sense later on down the road but he's not the answer and I don't believe he will come cheap enough for the Reds not to look around long enough that the Twins/someone else who needs him more will sign him. Aaron Miles may end up on the roster but I'm hoping Hairston drags his situation out enough that Miles re-signs with St. Louis.

    So this is already a given IMO:

    Taveras CF
    BP 2B
    Votto 1B
    ??? LF
    Bruce RF
    EE 3B
    Hernandez C
    Gonzo SS

    Dickerson OF
    Kepp IF
    Rosales UT
    Hopper/Other OF
    Hanigan C

    So who sits in LF? I think I still expect something to get done with Colorado for Atkins who is younger and cheaper than Dye (in terms of $$$'s anyway). And cheaper is the key for Walt, but it looks as though on the bright side that if we can hang around until the deadline we might be able to acquire a player to give us a decent chance of winning the W/C but unless it's a GG SS who is a beast at the top of the lineup we can forget the playoffs for another season.

    But 2010 could really prove to be a good one for us, so let's hope Dusty doesn't screw our staff over trying to make the playoffs a reality in '09 because I'm hoping Baker is out the door before s/t '10. That's right even Taveras has a bright side, perhaps he's enough to get Baker canned.
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I kinda feel like the time for us to wish for certain things is over.
    i was thinking the same thing.
    walt wants hairston or taveras for CF.
    walt wants dye for LF with certain others as a fallback plan.
    walt doesn't seem to think we need a better shortstop.

    what i want & what we'll get are very far apart.
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    All I know is that it's not Dusty's team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    All I know is that it's not Dusty's team.
    Oh yes it is, just look at the desired acquisitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Oh yes it is, just look at the desired acquisitions.
    If they lose, Dusty says its not his team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If they lose, Dusty says its not his team.
    Good luck with that this year Toothpick Jones.
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    All kidding aside, I think from recent comments made by Jocketty, the plan is to fill the empty spots with guys with left field hopefully being a right-handed guy that does all right with counting stats. Then they'll expect the Reds rotation and the young guys to carry them to the playoffs.
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    Trade Homer Bailey, Josh Roenicke, and Shaun Cumberland to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye and cash.

    Sign Joey Gathright to platoon with Dickerson in CF.

    Sign Jonny Gomes.

    Sign Charlie Haegar to a minor league deal.

    Trade Daryl Thompson to the Marlins for Robert Andino.

    Sign Daniel Cabrera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Trade Homer Bailey, Josh Roenicke, and Shaun Cumberland to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye and cash.

    Sign Joey Gathright to platoon with Dickerson in CF.

    Sign Jonny Gomes.

    Sign Charlie Haegar to a minor league deal.

    Trade Daryl Thompson to the Marlins for Robert Andino.

    Sign Daniel Cabrera.
    The Dye deal I might do but I would 1st I'd swap out Roenicke for Watson and send them Eymann (IF) instead of Cumberland (OF) and see if that get's it done.

    I'd sign Gathright to a minor league deal, he's at least got the upside that Hopper doesn't and if neither make the 25 man that's great. We could use Gathright in AAA if nothing else.

    Gomes, no thanks he's a good RH power bat off the bench vs. LHH's but beyond that he doesn't offer much. Is Thames a better defender? I could see him as more versatile fit although he doesn't get on base as well IIRC.

    Haeger, minor league deal, why not? Cabrera minor league deal, sure. Thompson for Andino, no thanks. I like Andino (Janish-esque) well enough to give him a look see but Thompson is definitely overpaying.
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    Why trade a good prospect like Thompson for Andino when Andino can be had for a warm body with options remaining?
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    1. Sign Ty Wigginton to 1-yr deal
    2. Sign Rafael Furcal to a 3-year/$40MM contract (risky, but at least it's only 3 years)
    3. Trade Alex Gonzalez to Detroit for PTBNL (shed salary)
    4. Trade Joey Votto and Danny Dorn to Toronto for Alex Rios (Votto returns to his hometown and gets to stick at 1B)
    5. Trade Homer Bailey and David Weathers to KC for David DeJesus (who is expendable thanks to Crisp. KC is looking for bullpen help because of that trade.)
    6. Trade Danny Richar and Shaun Cumberland to Florida for Robert Andino (with Furcal on the roster, I'd rather carry a backup glove at SS than 2B.)

    SS Furcal
    CF DeJesus
    RF Rios
    LF Bruce
    1B Encarnacion
    2B Phillips
    3B Wigginton
    C Hernandez

    The departures of Gonzalez and Weathers should save a little bit of money for the signings of Wigginton and Furcal. If Furcal goes down, you have Andino (or Janish) to play SS- with that offense around him, you can afford to have an all field-no stick SS. Next year, assuming Frazier and Alonso are ready, you shed the payrolls of Wigginton (FA) and Encarnacion (trade for young pitching and/or catching). Furcal comes off the books about same time as Cordero, Harang, and Arroyo, right when Bruce, Volquez and Cueto should be in line for big raises.

    2010 lineup:

    SS Furcal
    CF DeJesus
    RF Rios
    LF Bruce
    3B Frazier
    1B Alonso
    2B Phillips
    C Hanigan/someone acquired in EdE trade?
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    I would not trade Votto for Rios straight up much less with anything else.
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    Re: Specific Action Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    1. Sign Ty Wigginton to 1-yr deal
    2. Sign Rafael Furcal to a 3-year/$40MM contract (risky, but at least it's only 3 years)
    3. Trade Alex Gonzalez to Detroit for PTBNL (shed salary)
    4. Trade Joey Votto and Danny Dorn to Toronto for Alex Rios (Votto returns to his hometown and gets to stick at 1B)
    5. Trade Homer Bailey and David Weathers to KC for David DeJesus (who is expendable thanks to Crisp. KC is looking for bullpen help because of that trade.)
    6. Trade Danny Richar and Shaun Cumberland to Florida for Robert Andino (with Furcal on the roster, I'd rather carry a backup glove at SS than 2B.)

    SS Furcal
    CF DeJesus
    RF Rios
    LF Bruce
    1B Encarnacion
    2B Phillips
    3B Wigginton
    C Hernandez

    The departures of Gonzalez and Weathers should save a little bit of money for the signings of Wigginton and Furcal. If Furcal goes down, you have Andino (or Janish) to play SS- with that offense around him, you can afford to have an all field-no stick SS. Next year, assuming Frazier and Alonso are ready, you shed the payrolls of Wigginton (FA) and Encarnacion (trade for young pitching and/or catching). Furcal comes off the books about same time as Cordero, Harang, and Arroyo, right when Bruce, Volquez and Cueto should be in line for big raises.

    2010 lineup:

    SS Furcal
    CF DeJesus
    RF Rios
    LF Bruce
    3B Frazier
    1B Alonso
    2B Phillips
    C Hanigan/someone acquired in EdE trade?
    I don't do the Votto deal either.

    Furcal we both think is risky however he's already turned down a 3 yr deal, plus he still has 3-4 teams in on him currently. He's gonna get all he wants and maybe more.

    Detroit has already filled their SS vacancy (Everett), besides Gonzo is probably not gonne be tradeable. Also they turned down Jack Wilson due to his salary, they have $$ issues. If were gonna eat most of Gonzo's dollars we might as well see if he's fit to retire instead and eat none (assuming his contract is insured).

    I'm not sure we could get DeJesus for that but if so I would probably give that a go.

    Richar alone for Andino probably get's done but if not I'd prefer to send them another piece other than an OF as we are very slim there in the minors. Andino's only real worth however for that deal is too see if he can hit well enough and I kinda doubt it and if so he's not really much better than Janish. Not to say I wouldn't still do it just don't know that he's worth any 2 players and if he is i'd prefer no OF's but it's not necc. a deal breaker depending on his scouting report.
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