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    A Broad Perspective

    Feel free to comment and correct me if I messed up with these. I believe that all I listed are free agents, or are currently believed to be on the trading block.

    I'm really happy with where the Reds are as of right now. I think that they have the young players, and established veterans to win now, and in the future. We have an average payroll, with room to expand should the need arise. We also have a manager who has an ability to manage without the players questioning his credentials. For now, however, we need to take a deep breath, and think about what moves we can make today, to sure up the future of this ballclub.

    First off, I hope the Reds can find a way to sign Hairston to a short-term, incentive-based contract.

    For one, I believe that we need a veteran hitter. No, it doesn't need to be Jermaine Dye, or Rafael Furcal. It needs to be somebody that's not on everyone's radar, but can lead this team when the going gets tough. Ty Wigginton is one of my favorites. Sure, he's not your prototypical hitter, but he is very under-valued, and could be had at a good price. Another name is Rocco Baldelli. I recently read that his condition may have been a mis-diagnosis, and might be more treatable than previously percieved. If true, he is easily worth a look. His potential, and early success are hard to turn away from. He's one that makes you wonder what might have been. Both not a type a or b free agents, and wouldn't require draft pick compensation.

    I also have a list of players that will require draft compensation, though some may not, being that the Reds have a top 15 pick, which can't be lost by signing a free agent. My first is Bobby Abreu. He is a type A, and I believe that the Yanks would be re-paid in the form of a sandwich pick. He was under-valued by teams outside of New York. He's really a guy that takes lots of pitches, and would be a great two hitter for this team.

    Jonny Gomes- Gomes really intrigues me. I wouldn't come even close to entertaining him as a starting player. If he were to possibly platoon in the outfield, or come off the bench, that would be preferable. He could be had cheap, and is not an A or B free agent. He's young, only 28. His HR/AB ratio is very good. He could add some pop off the bench.

    Richie Sexson- He could be a good insurance policy, if we don't bring Hairston back.. He is not the stud he used to be, but he can provide solid production. He has really fallen off the map, though at only 34, he wouldn't be a bad risk. We may be able to get a couple years out of him at his old production. I would love to have a veteran with a .500 slugging percentage to come off the bench, or play first when needed.

    Another route worth exploring is the wide world of trades. There are plenty of names being dangled out there right now. Don't expect the Reds to go for big names like Peavy. Peavy would be huge for this team, but his contract is too pricey for a team like the Reds to spend on, especially if they want to keep the likes of Cueto, Votto, Bruce, or Volquez.

    Zack Greinke is a name I really like. The Royals seem to be hesitant about possibly trading him, but if he can be had at a good price, he's worth it. Last year, he was one of the best pitchers in the American league. He posted over 200 innings, with a sub 3.5 ERA. He's still a risk, due to past problems, including injuries. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing a trade for him, maybe a package deal including Stubbs, or Bailey.

    Another name I'll throw out is Jeff Francoeur. He plays solid defense in right, and has the best, if not one of the best arms in the game. Jeff has solid power numbers, but his average is a big down. I imagine he could be a hard target to get, but with him and Bruce in the outfield, that clears up a lot of the lack of mobility and defense we had last year. Bruce was statistically one of the worst outfielders defensivly in the game last year, and I hope that another year of practice helps sure up his defense.

    I'll go ahead and throw out the name everyone else is aswell. You guessed it, Jermaine Dye. Dye is a good player, don't get me wrong. He has had a solid career, and really burst onto the scene with his World Series MVP award a few years ago. With a small outfield at GABP, he would have a lot less ground to cover. From what I have seen, he is solid defensivly as a right fielder, on balls that come his direction. I was pleased when I heard that he was traded for Bailey, because I think that he could mean more to the Reds chances this coming year than Homer does.

    Not all of these moves are great ones. I really intend this post as a means of getting some discussion going, and giving other posters a broad perspective of my views of this offseason. It has been very dull to say the least. I want to see the Reds make these moves because I believe we are on the doorstep. Last season, I saw a team that was a player or two away from breaking out. That player doesn't have to be Albert Pujols. I think that if we can get a couple more players to give us solid contributions, we can make 2009 a playoff season for the Cincinnati Reds.

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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    I do want to stress how much I love Bobby Abreu. He is a great hitter, and a solid defender. His mobility is down from a few years ago, but he may nab you a base here or there. I know that he could be a rock in the middle of the lineup.

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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    If boston signs texeria, I think lowell could be a really nice pickup. Hes a leader, solid defender, good hitter and we could either move EE to left or trade him for a left fielder, like delmon young.

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    Dye - If they can agree on trade terms he would definitely work.

    Wigginton - I like him (not sure about his D) but I'm concerned about how much he may want.

    Baldelli - I'd like him if the $/terms were right, although I'm still a little concened about his health even with the recent medical update, as I just expressed in the thread "According to ORG, Baldelli was misdiagnosed"

    Gomes - Has always had power but not much else. Maybe in a platoon if the $ was right.

    Greinke - I would take him over Peavy.

    Abreu - He would definitely work if the $/terms were right.

    Sexson is a dh/1st baseman and NL teams require a little more versatility from their backups. If he could play at least one other position, and was very cheap, he may have been worth a look.

    Francoeur is top notch defensively but hasn't shown that he can make contact consistently.

    Lowell - I'd take him in a second if he didn't have the health concerns. I'd still take him if those concerns were addressed in any deal and if the $/terms were right.
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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    If boston signs texeria, I think lowell could be a really nice pickup. Hes a leader, solid defender, good hitter and we could either move EE to left or trade him for a left fielder, like delmon young.
    Thanks. I forgot to add Delmon Young to my list.

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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    Vada Pinson Fan pointed out to me that Abreu is not a type A, because he wasn't offered arbitration. Thanks a lot.

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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    Dye - If they can agree on trade terms he would definitely work.
    The White Sox seem adamant on not paying any of the contract so I don't think the reds will get any money
    Wigginton - I like him (not sure about his D) but I'm concerned about how much he may want. Wigginton's D is actually pretty good, at least by cincy's standards. Last year he had a RZR of .731 at 3B. In comparison, EE had a .628 RZR and the slick fielding Jack Hanahan had a .759 RZR. Signing wigginton for cheap would net you a guy who could OPS .850 and allow EE to move to left leave the reds with a significant amount of money to upgrade SS, CF, or 5th starter

    Baldelli - I'd like him if the $/terms were right, although I'm still a little concened about his health even with the recent medical update, as I just expressed in the thread "According to ORG, Baldelli was misdiagnosed"
    It just seems odd to me that he was "misdiagnosed now of all times"

    Gomes - Has always had power but not much else. Maybe in a platoon if the $ was right. pretty good IsoD but he just isn't a good enough hitter to hit for a high enough average to have a decent OBP or OPS, pass

    Greinke - I would take him over Peavy.

    Abreu - He would definitely work if the $/terms were right.
    Abreu is trending downward both offensively and defensively and if the reds really wanted another LH bat, I'd say go for Adam Dunn

    Sexson is a dh/1st baseman and NL teams require a little more versatility from their backups. If he could play at least one other position, and was very cheap, he may have been worth a look.Correct. The guy can't play the field and would hamper the bench more than help it.

    Francoeur is top notch defensively but hasn't shown that he can make contact consistently. Frenchy's D has been good in the past, but it was ownright awful last year. He was either even or worse than Jermaine Dye in the +/- system last year.

    Lowell - I'd take him in a second if he didn't have the health concerns. I'd still take him if those concerns were addressed in any deal and if the $/terms were right. Another solid hitter the Reds could get and move EE to left. Interesting possibility if Tex goes to Boston. Also the reds would need the Red Sox to pick up some of his contract
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    Re: A Broad Perspective

    I'd give delmon young another chance, and he has fire which the reds are lacking right now

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    ugh...I really don't think Delmon Young is a guy the reds want. I don't care much about attitude, but how is Delmon Young any different than Milton Bradley? I mean this is the same guy that hurled a bat at an umpire. But anyways, there are other more important reasons to dislike Young. He was the worst defensive LFer in the majors, worse than Burrell, worse than Jack Cust, and way worse than Adam Dunn. He has had a well below average OPS in his two full years in the majors with .723 two years ago and .741 last year (not to mention his BABIP was well above what it should have been .338 BABIP, 17.1 LD%). Young has never been a patient hitter and OBP is not his strength which is the thing I think the reds offense needs. He is also well below average on offense, especially with how many outs he makes. The league average EqA for leftfielders is .276. Young had an EqA last year of .269 so offensively he is below league average for a left fielder. And if you want to go by a counting stat, Young created 74 runs last year. Dunn created 73 in his time in Cincy alone, so young is a significant downgrade on both offense and defense that would make the reds farther away from the run differential they need to get into the playoffs.
    Baseball is not necessarily an obsessive-compulsive disorder, like washing your hands 100 times a day, but it's beginning to seem that way. We're reaching the point where you can be a truly dedicated, state-of-the-art fan or you can have a life. Take your pick. ~Thomas Boswell

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