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    Originally posted by MikeS21

    But if I'm wrong, and Graves wins the Cy Young Award for 2003, I won't complain about it.
    Ah, come on Mike, how about a little "first born" wager...
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    Surprise player(s) of the year: Dempster and Graves who turn out to be the #1 and #2 we have been searching for.

    Disappointment of the year: Adam Dunn, hitting only 48 HRs, 130 RBI's, with a BA of .334.
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    OMG. R-i-l is making me look pessimistic.
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    I gotta agree with M2 here, look for Larue to show some suprising offense.

    I think Casey and Jr will both rebound to some degree, so no suprise there. Kearns and Dunn will do well, no suprise there.

    I think that the big suprise to the upside will be from Acevado. I think he was dimissed too early by most. He has decent enough stuff and will be able to be a servable pitcher next year. If Harnish can to anything, he is #2 on this list IMO.

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    Old Red Guard wrote:
    I just don't understand the pessimism Mike and Red Leader have about Graves. Maybe they've been watching a different pitcher than I have, maybe they just don't want to get their hopes too high, but I've said for a couple of years, along with others on here, that Graves is perfectly cast for the starting rotation. Personally I expect a solid season - 14-16 wins for Danny and an era below 3.50.
    ORG, I can't speak for Red Leader, but I have heard all these comparisons to Derrick Lowe - reliever turned starter, and frankly, I just don't see it.

    Lowe is the exception rather than the rule and I see no basis for thinking that just because Lowe had a career yerar, that Graves will become the Reds' #1 ace for the next five seasons. I agree Graves is not a closer. I never once pretended he was a closer. But the comparisons to Derreck Lowe are rather far-fetched. To me, the comparisons between the two have as much logic as if a fellow RedsZoner won the lottery, then I think that because I'm a RedsZoner, I will win the lottery, too.

    As for the 200+ innings ForLoveOfTheGame predicts, that's quite a feat for a guy who HAS NEVER pitched more than 112 innings in a single season. And he has only had ONE season where he broke 99 innings (and only TWO seasons where's he'd broke 92 innings). I know Graves is supposedly "conditioning" himself, but come on, the guy is 29 years old and at most he will be a six inning pitcher, which is all we need - another bullpen dependent starter. The guy made $3.5 million in 2002, and will probably be in the $4.8-$5.2 million range for 2003. Thta's a lot for a #4 or #5 pitcher. I don't know about you all, but when I think of a #1 ace, I think of a guy who will have 200+ K's and pitch 3 CG's. That certainly is not Graves.

    And that leads me to my last point on Graves. IMHO, I think he'll be on the DL with arm trouble. If he's making the tranistion to starter as a 22 year old, that's one thing. but at 29-30 years old, that could be a problem. 30 years old isn't necessarily old, but in baseball terms, it sure isn't young. And if he tweaks his arm one time, and even misses one start, it will raise red flags as far as any trade value Graves will have come July.

    I realize many on this board are high on Graves a s a starter. I'm just not one of them. But if I'm wrong, and Graves wins the Cy Young Award for 2003, I won't complain about it.
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    Surprise will be a rejuvinated and healthy Sean Casey. I'll predict a .310-.320 BA, 20-25 HR's, and 85 RBI's. Disappointment will be the "Danny Graves as a starter" experiment. As Red Leader said, you'll get about five good starts out of him, but by the All-Star break, Graves will be back in the bullpen with trade value around the Juan Castro level.
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    Originally posted by creek14

    Ah, come on Mike, how about a little "first born" wager...
    creek, if you did win MY first born in a friendly wager, you'd probably send her back home within an hour. My first born is 11, thinks she's 15, at times, acts like she's 6. She is boy crazy, loves the malls, thinks of me as a human ATM machine, and her favorite clothing color is BLACK. In short, she is a typical 5th grader - sass and all.

    So you see, if I "lose" a 'first born" wager, I actually "win." :evilgrin:

    Anyway, it's good to see I woke up the crowd with my anti-Graves remarks.
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    Originally posted by Raisor
    If Casey reaches those numbers, I'll run around the GAB (which means I'll drive the 9 hours to get there) in my boxers while singing "Sometimes it's hard to be a woman".

    PSR

    Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have this year's version of the Falls City first-born challenge.


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    Time to rev up the Idiotmobile.

    One of the main reasons that scouts are interested in a players "makeup" is the near certainty that a player will be faced with adversity many times in his career.

    How you respond to that adversity can differ greatly among players, and for that matter, individuals in all walks of life.

    I pick Sean Casey for surprise of the year.

    It may well be that his makeup hurt him while he was injured. He struggled to play through not just pain, but injury. I'm betting that he comes back more fit and more determined than ever to prove his detractors wrong.
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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    We'll need to archive this or have a 2003 predictions forum.
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    Originally posted by MikeS21
    Surprise will be a rejuvinated and healthy Sean Casey. I'll predict a .310-.320 BA, 20-25 HR's, and 85 RBI's. Disappointment will be the "Danny Graves as a starter" experiment. As Red Leader said, you'll get about five good starts out of him, but by the All-Star break, Graves will be back in the bullpen with trade value around the Juan Castro level.
    Hate to be biased, but ditto.

    I'll add Russell Branyan to the list for pleasant surprises as well.
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    Surprise player of the year

    Who is your pick for Surprise Player of the Year from the current Reds roster? Someone whose performance will far outshine what expectations are placed on them this year.

    Also, who do you think will be the disappointment of the year?

    My nominees are:
    Surprise player of the year: Ruben Mateo (won't start regularly, but will still come up with 15 homers)
    Disappointment of the year: Jimmy Haynes (less than .500 season, at least 12 losses)

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    Pleasant surprise of the year? Oh, what the heck, let's get some folks riled up...

    Barry Larkin.

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    Who else but Juan Castro?
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    If Jr returns to form (and I think he will), would that qualify?... or would that be listed as "Comeback Player of 2003"?

    But if I can't list Jr, then I will go with Austin Kearns. He is the real thing IMO.

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