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    Oliver Perez

    MLB Trade Rumors has the Reds as a suitor for Oliver Perez per SI's Heyman. I don't see the Reds shelling out that kind of money for a starter when they need a RH power bat so badly. I like Perez, but I just don't see it happening.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Eh...

    If they think Rivera can be their bat I bet they could still afford to go after Perez.

    I'm guessing he gets something along the lines of 5 years 60-70 million or about 12-14 million a year. I think that the Reds could afford that if they really wanted to.

    Not going to happen though. And as wild as he is, I don't think that it should.
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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidty622 View Post
    Eh...

    If they think Rivera can be their bat I bet they could still afford to go after Perez.

    I'm guessing he gets something along the lines of 5 years 60-70 million or about 12-14 million a year. I think that the Reds could afford that if they really wanted to.

    Not going to happen though. And as wild as he is, I don't think that it should.
    I'd hurl if the reds gave out that kind of contract for Oliver Perez. Perez had an xFIP of 5.02 last year. His HR/F % was right in line with league average at 11.4% and I would expect that to go up if he moved from Pitcher friendly Shea Stadium to the homer happy GABP. Perez had a .280 BABIP against this past season and had a 22.0 LD% against. That is a 60 point difference! Yikes, hate to see what happens when that evens out. Perez has some control problems also and I think it would be a risky addition ezpecially for those terms.
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    Re: Oliver Perez

    His twentyish homers last year turn into 40ish in GA(S)P... and with his propensity to allow extra baserunners via the walk he's a molotov cocktail waiting to happen, :thumbdown NO THANKS and then on top of that we give *mini-me* Yank wannabes our high draft picks next June.....ummmmmm H E double toothpicks NOOOOOOO.

    If it's a lefty you want then Randy Wolf (not offered arb from Astros, therefore no draft picks would be lost) is still out there... or explore with gusto a Johathan Sanchez deal. How about letting Maloney have a shot he's a lefty.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Oliver Perez with Dick Pole as his pitching coach is a worse marraige than Brittney Spears and K-Fed. Perez is, to put it lightly, a mental case. The only coach who ever got iside his head was Rick Peterson in NY, and then Perez threw him under the bus a year later. He drives catchers and coaches insane.

    He's a gifted arm, but let somebody else take that risk.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Don't mention that name ever again... And please... Don't mention the name Dick Pole in the same sentence as the before mentioned pitchers name...

    Dick Pole... Worst Pitching Coach in the Majors.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Don't mention that name ever again... And please... Don't mention the name Dick Pole in the same sentence as the before mentioned pitchers name...

    Dick Pole... Worst Pitching Coach in the Majors.
    I think Greg Maddox would disagree with you. He singled out Pole in his retirement speech as the guy responsible for his success.

    Pole is a very good pitching coach, with a strong track record. And exactly what is your problem with him as the Reds pitching coach?

    Last year, Volquez had his best season ever, Cueto had a strong first season for a 22 year old, Arroyo bounced back after a terrible start, R. Ramirez had a great first month, Burton developed into a strong set up man and maybe a future closer, Bray had his best season yet, Lincoln developed into a solid middle reliever, Affeldt had his best season ever.
    The only problems were Harang, who was hurt, Fogg, who has no stuff, Belisle who had problem well before Pole came to the Reds and Bailey, who everyone agrees was uncoachable his whole minor league career.

    Stop making up scapegoats!

    That said, Perez would be a terrible addition. He is a flyball pitcher, who was very lucky last year. He could be worst than Milton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I think Greg Maddox would disagree with you. He singled out Pole in his retirement speech as the guy responsible for his success.

    Pole is a very good pitching coach, with a strong track record. And exactly what is your problem with him as the Reds pitching coach?

    Last year, Volquez had his best season ever, Cueto had a strong first season for a 22 year old, Arroyo bounced back after a terrible start, R. Ramirez had a great first month, Burton developed into a strong set up man and maybe a future closer, Bray had his best season yet, Lincoln developed into a solid middle reliever, Affeldt had his best season ever.
    The only problems were Harang, who was hurt, Fogg, who has no stuff, Belisle who had problem well before Pole came to the Reds and Bailey, who everyone agrees was uncoachable his whole minor league career.

    Stop making up scapegoats!

    That said, Perez would be a terrible addition. He is a flyball pitcher, who was very lucky last year. He could be worst than Milton.


    UM, Harang 16 Losses....

    Oh and Volquez didn't have the same record after that San Diego game either...

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    Are you saying because Harang had 16 losses and Volquez used in the San Diego game through a decision made by Dusty that Dick Pole is a bad pitching coach.
    Hey Homer! If you can put it together, you'll put the Reds over the top....think about it.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    Hell, I think he's very inconsistent but would be a fine option for the #3-4 spot in the rotation. I like him more than most of the free agent pitchers. I just don't think there is any chance they sign him... the Rivera/Baldelli/Hairston/Taveras interest prove this team isn't going to compete this season

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    The manager makes the FINAL call on who pitches when and when a pitcher comes out. NOT the pitching coach.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Someone I know who is in a position to know believes strongly that Dick Pole is a quality MLB pitching coach who has a bit of trouble communicating with younger pitchers, especially younger Latino pitchers. Not that he's a bigot or anything, just a cultural, generational and language gap, This person believes that was a key factor in bringing in Ramon Hernandez.

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    That would make some sense although I think that would just imply that Hernandez will definitely be the catcher when Cueto, Volquez, and Ramirez pitch which wouldn't be a surprise.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Dick Pole is a joke... Mad dog giving him an endorsement or not... Doesn't change the fact that he was the pitching coach in Chicago that runied Mark Prior's career with Dusty, and almost ruined Kerry Wood's career...

    Get them Both gone. Sign Leo Mazzone to be the Pitching Coach....

    Also, I don't know who to get for a Manager... But Dusty has no idea how to handle a pitching staff... and if Dick Pole isn't pointing these things out to Dude Pick, then, he is in part responsible...

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    Re: Oliver Perez

    So why would you want Peavy? Wouldn't they just ruin his arm too?
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