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    Re: Doc Ellis died Friday

    http://www.mydamnchannel.com/channel.aspx?episode=814

    Scroll down to hear a song about Ellis, his no hitter, and LSD.
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    From the Baseball Reliquary (whatever that is)...
    I remember this incident; it certainly had no bearing on the Reds' failure to win a division title in 1974.

    Perhaps Ellis’ most startling act occurred on May 1, 1974, when he tied a major league record by hitting three batters in a row. In spring training that year, Ellis sensed the Pirates had lost the aggressiveness that drove them to three straight division titles from 1970 to 1972. Furthermore, the team now seemed intimidated by Cincinnati’s "Big Red Machine."
    "Cincinnati will b------t with us and kick our ass and laugh at us," Ellis said. "They’re the only team that talk about us like a dog."
    Ellis single-handedly decided to break the Pirates out of their emotional slump, announcing that "We gonna get down. We gonna do the do. I’m going to hit these m-----------s."
    True to his word, in the first inning of the first regular-season game he pitched against the Reds, Ellis hit leadoff batter Pete Rose in the ribs, then plunked Joe Morgan in the kidney, and loaded the bases by hitting Dan Driessen in the back. Tony Perez, batting cleanup, dodged a succession of Ellis’ pitches to walk and force in a run.
    The next hitter was Johnny Bench. "I tried to deck him twice," Ellis recalled. "I threw at his jaw, and he moved. I threw at the back of his head, and he moved."
    At this point, Pittsburgh manager Danny Murtaugh removed Ellis from the game. But his strategy worked: the Pirates snapped out of their lethargy to win a division title in 1974, while the Reds failed to win their division for the first time in three years.

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    Re: Doc Ellis died Friday

    Ellis started the 1971 AS game, he got killed in 3 IP.

    http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1...130ALS1971.htm

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    Re: Doc Ellis died Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Mainspark View Post
    But his strategy worked: the Pirates snapped out of their lethargy to win a division title in 1974, while the Reds failed to win their division for the first time in three years.
    Interesting story, but I am reluctant to believe the above assumptions by the author. I see no connections between the happenings in this one game and the results for the entire season. Pretty far-fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Borkowski View Post
    Interesting story, but I am reluctant to believe the above assumptions by the author. I see no connections between the happenings in this one game and the results for the entire season. Pretty far-fetched.
    This is in the 1975 TSN Baseball Guide, from the Pirates manager Danny Murtaugh (who was ill and not at the game):

    "I hear the fight was one of the better ones on a baseball field, there was a change in our club after the fight. No doubt about it. I think the fight helped the Reds, too."

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    DOCK ELLIS
    
    GIVEN NAME: Dock Phillip Ellis
    BORN: 3/11/1945  Los Angeles, California  
    BAT: B  THROW: R  HEIGHT: 6'3"  WEIGHT: 205  MLB DEBUT: 6/18/1968
    
    YEAR TEAM         AGE W   L   PCT   G    GS  CG  SV  GF  IP     H    R    ER   BB   SO    ERA  RSAA
    1968 Pirates      23   6   5  .545   26  10   2   0   5  104     82   35   29   38   52   2.51    5 
    1969 Pirates      24  11  17  .393   35  33   8   0   0  218.2  206  101   87   76  173   3.58   -5 
    1970 Pirates      25  13  10  .565   30  30   9   0   0  201.2  194   81   72   87  128   3.21   15 
    1971 Pirates      26  19   9  .679   31  31  11   0   0  226.2  207   93   77   63  137   3.06    9 
    1972 Pirates      27  15   7  .682   25  25   4   0   0  163.1  156   60   49   33   96   2.70   14 
    1973 Pirates      28  12  14  .462   28  28   3   0   0  192    176   86   65   55  122   3.05    7 
    1974 Pirates      29  12   9  .571   26  26   9   0   0  176.2  163   71   62   41   91   3.16    7 
    1975 Pirates      30   8   9  .471   27  24   5   0   1  140    163   69   59   43   69   3.79   -4 
    1976 Yankees      31  17   8  .680   32  32   8   0   0  211.2  195   83   75   76   65   3.19    6 
    1977 Yankees      32   1   1  .500    3   3   1   0   0   19.2   18    9    4    8    5   1.83    5 
         A's          32   1   5  .167    7   7   0   0   0   26     35   33   28   14   11   9.69  -17 
         Rangers      32  10   6  .625   23  22   7   1   1  167.1  158   60   54   42   90   2.90   24 
         TOTALS           12  12  .500   33  32   8   1   1  213    211  102   86   64  106   3.63   12 
    1978 Rangers      33   9   7  .563   22  22   3   0   0  141.1  131   81   66   46   45   4.20  -10 
    1979 Rangers      34   1   5  .167   10   9   0   0   0   46.2   64   34   31   16   10   5.98   -9 
         Mets         34   3   7  .300   17  14   1   0   3   85    110   60   57   34   41   6.04  -23 
         Pirates      34   0   0          3   1   0   0   0    7      9    2    2    2    1   2.57    1 
         TOTALS            4  12  .250   30  24   1   0   3  138.2  183   96   90   52   52   5.84  -31 
         TOTALS          138 119  .537  345 317  71   1  10 2127.2 2067  958  817  674 1136   3.46   25 
         LG AVERAGE      118 118  .500           82   3     2127.2 2059  980  868  773 1256   3.67    0 
    
    YEAR TEAM          HR  H/9   BR/9  SO/9  BB/9  SO/BB SHO WP  IBB HBP BFP   BK  NW  NL
    1968 Pirates        4  7.10 10.47  4.50  3.29  1.37   0   6   4   1   426  1   6   5 
    1969 Pirates       14  8.48 11.77  7.12  3.13  2.28   2   4   7   4   917  2  13  15 
    1970 Pirates        9  8.66 12.99  5.71  3.88  1.47   4   3  11  10   863  0  13  10 
    1971 Pirates       15  8.22 10.80  5.44  2.50  2.17   2   4   5   2   943  0  15  13 
    1972 Pirates        6  8.60 10.58  5.29  1.82  2.91   1   2   4   3   663  0  14   8 
    1973 Pirates        7  8.25 11.11  5.72  2.58  2.22   1   3   7   6   803  1  14  12 
    1974 Pirates       13  8.30 10.75  4.64  2.09  2.22   0   5   5   7   731  1  12   9 
    1975 Pirates        9 10.48 13.44  4.44  2.76  1.60   2   0   9   3   621  2   8   9 
    1976 Yankees       14  8.29 11.69  2.76  3.23  0.86   1   4   1   4   886  1  13  12 
    1977 Yankees        1  8.24 11.90  2.29  3.66  0.63   0   1   0   0    85  1   2   0 
         A's            5 12.12 17.31  3.81  4.85  0.79   0   1   0   1   128  0   1   5 
         Rangers       13  8.50 10.76  4.84  2.26  2.14   1   4   1   0   685  0  11   5 
         TOTALS        19  8.92 11.66  4.48  2.70  1.66   1   6   1   1   898  1  14  10 
    1978 Rangers       15  8.34 11.40  2.87  2.93  0.98   0   3   0   2   592  0   7   9 
    1979 Rangers        5 12.34 15.43  1.93  3.09  0.63   0   2   2   0   215  0   2   4 
         Mets           9 11.65 15.35  4.34  3.60  1.21   0   2  10   1   391  0   3   7 
         Pirates        1 11.57 14.14  1.29  2.57  0.50   0   1   0   0    29  0   0   0 
         TOTALS        15 11.88 15.32  3.38  3.38  1.00   0   5  12   1   635  0   5  11 
         TOTALS       140  8.74 11.78  4.81  2.85  1.69  14  45  66  44  8978  9 134 123 
         LG AVERAGE   174  8.71 12.18  5.31  3.27  1.62  14  70  85  47  9048  9 
    
    
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    Here are some fairly strange paintings based on his life...

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    Didn't he claim to have pitched whilst tripping on acid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Didn't he claim to have pitched whilst tripping on acid?


    Ellis is better-known for several incidents:

    * Beaning Reggie Jackson in the face in apparent retaliation for Reggie's monstrous home run off Ellis in the 1971 All-Star game in Detroit.

    * No-hitting the San Diego Padres on June 12, 1970 despite being, as he would claim in 1984, under the influence of LSD throughout the course of the game.[1] Ellis had been visiting friends in Los Angeles under the impression he had the day off and was still high when his girlfriend told him he had to pitch a game against the Padres that night. Ellis boarded a shuttle flight to the ballpark and threw a no-hitter despite not being able to feel the ball or clearly see the batter or catcher. Ellis claims catcher Jerry May wore reflective tape on his fingers which helped Ellis to see his target. Ellis walked eight, struck out six, and was aided by excellent fielding plays by second baseman Bill Mazeroski and centerfielder Matty Alou.[2] During the game, Ellis is reported to have commented to his teammates on the bench between innings that he was pitching a no-hitter, despite the superstition that discourages mentioning a no-hitter while it is in progress. Because the no-hitter was the first game of a double header, Ellis was forced to keep track of the pitch count for the night game.[3]

    According to Ellis:

    I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me.[4]

    * Attempting to hit every batter in the Cincinnati Reds lineup on May 1, 1974. In an effort to prove a point to teammates, Ellis hit Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, and Dan Driessen in the top of the first. The clean-up batter Tony Perez avoided Ellis' attempts, instead drawing a walk, and after two pitches aimed at the head of Johnny Bench, Ellis was removed from the game by manager Danny Murtaugh. Ellis' box score for the game reads: 0 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K.[5]

    * Arguing with and being maced by a Riverfront Stadium security guard on May 5, 1972. The guard claimed Ellis did not identify himself and "made threatening gestures with a closed fist"; Ellis countered that he was showing his World Series ring as evidence of his affiliation with the Pirates.[5]

    Ellis went on to play for the New York Mets, New York Yankees, Oakland Athletics, and Texas Rangers, then ended his career back in Pittsburgh. He finished with a lifetime record of 138-119 and an ERA of 3.46.

    Ellis collaborated with future U.S. Poet Laureate Donald Hall on a book, Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball, which was published in 1976. Although Hall knew of the LSD incident, it was not included in the first edition of the book; Ellis was playing for the Yankees when the book was published, and Hall worried that George Steinbrenner would react negatively to such an admission.[citation needed]

    Dock Ellis retired to Victorville, California and a career as a drug counselor.[6] He was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver in 2007 and was on the list for a transplant at the time of his death.[7] ESPN reported on December 19, 2008, that Ellis had died at his California home due to "a liver ailment." [8]

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Didn't he claim to have pitched whilst tripping on acid?
    That's the subject of the song in my previous post.
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    Some good stuff there 919191. I particularly enjoyed the Lori McKenna and the Guy Clark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainspark View Post
    "Cincinnati will b------t with us and kick our ass and laugh at us," Ellis said. "They’re the only team that talk about us like a dog."
    I have a hard time believing this quote. The BRM from everything I know and read about them were a very classy bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    I have a hard time believing this quote. The BRM from everything I know and read about them were a very classy bunch.
    Oh, I believe every word of it. They were good, they had supreme confidence, and they didn't take crap from anyone.

    In other words, the BRM was not a bunch of nice guys, not Casper Milquetoasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Oh, I believe every word of it. They were good, they had supreme confidence, and they didn't take crap from anyone.

    In other words, the BRM was not a bunch of nice guys, not Casper Milquetoasts.
    The quote Ellis made in regards to the BRM gave me the impression that he regarded the BRM in the same light as say the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's. which were far from a classy bunch.

    No doubt the BRM had confidence and a large share of arrogance but I just can't see other than from maybe Pete, the trash talking coming from them. For the most part they were a pretty professional bunch.
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