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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I like to think that Koufax had a 6 year run, though those 4 years were better than the other two,

    But in 1961, Koufax won 18 games, led the NL with 269 K's, and was 7th in ERA.

    In 1962, Koufax's injuries limited him to only 14 wins, but he did lead the NL in ERA.
    2 good years followed by 4 of the best years in pitching history.

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    4 years (1963-1966) did it for Sandy Koufax. But man, were they great years.

    I don't think Foster belongs in the HoF, as much as I like him. Reds HoF, for a fine career, suits him just fine.
    Somewhat true.
    The only reason Koufax's run did not extend further is that he retired young (30) due to injury. Basically, he was also voted in because of what could have happened, such as Addie Joss (imagine the number he could have put up...).
    Foster, on the other hand, continued his career for quite a while after his monster run - much of it being injury free, I believe, though the '81 strike did rob him of potentially another large year.
    Foster's number decline came mostly due to age (his numbers drop off significantly after 33), and arguably a departure from Cincinnati and appearance with the Mets.
    Baseball reference compares his stats to Gil Hodges, Willy Horton, Tino Martinez, Jack Clark and Del Ennis. Five very good players, but none are quite HOF caliber.

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Nope. Terrific player and great guy though. His terrible drop off after going to NY didn't help his cause.
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Code:
    GEORGE FOSTER
    
    GIVEN NAME: George Arthur Foster
    BORN: 12/1/1948  Tuscaloosa, Alabama  
    BAT: R  THROW: R  HEIGHT: 6'1"  WEIGHT: 180  MLB DEBUT: 9/10/1969
    CAREER GAMES BY POSITION:  1B: 2  LF: 1534  CF: 267  RF: 178  DH: 3  
    
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1969 Giants       20    9     5    1    2   0   0   0   0.00    1    0    1    0   0  .400  .400  .400  .800 
    1970 Giants       21    9    19    2    6   1   1   1   5.26    4    2    5    0   0  .316  .632  .381 1.013 
    1971 Giants       22   36   105   11   28   5   0   3   2.86    8    6   27    0   1  .267  .400  .304  .704 
         Reds         22  104   368   39   86  18   4  10   2.72   50   23   93    7   6  .234  .386  .289  .675 
         TOTALS           140   473   50  114  23   4  13   2.75   58   29  120    7   7  .241  .389  .292  .681 
    1972 Reds         23   59   145   15   29   4   1   2   1.38   12    5   44    2   1  .200  .283  .230  .513 
    1973 Reds         24   17    39    6   11   3   0   4  10.26    9    4    7    0   1  .282  .667  .349 1.016 
    1974 Reds         25  106   276   31   73  18   0   7   2.54   41   30   52    3   2  .264  .406  .343  .749 
    1975 Reds         26  134   463   71  139  24   4  23   4.97   78   40   73    2   1  .300  .518  .356  .875 
    1976 Reds         27  144   562   86  172  21   9  29   5.16  121   52   89   17   3  .306  .530  .364  .894 
    1977 Reds         28  158   615  124  197  31   2  52   8.46  149   61  107    6   4  .320  .631  .382 1.013 
    1978 Reds         29  158   604   97  170  26   7  40   6.62  120   70  138    4   4  .281  .546  .360  .906 
    1979 Reds         30  121   440   68  133  18   3  30   6.82   98   59  105    0   2  .302  .561  .386  .948 
    1980 Reds         31  144   528   79  144  21   5  25   4.73   93   75   99    1   0  .273  .473  .362  .835 
    1981 Reds         32  108   414   64  122  23   2  22   5.31   90   51   75    4   0  .295  .519  .373  .892 
    1982 Mets         33  151   550   64  136  23   2  13   2.36   70   50  123    1   1  .247  .367  .309  .676 
    1983 Mets         34  157   601   74  145  19   2  28   4.66   90   38  111    1   1  .241  .419  .289  .708 
    1984 Mets         35  146   553   67  149  22   1  24   4.34   86   30  122    2   2  .269  .443  .311  .754 
    1985 Mets         36  129   452   57  119  24   1  21   4.65   77   46   87    0   1  .263  .460  .331  .792 
    1986 Mets         37   72   233   28   53   6   1  13   5.58   38   21   53    1   1  .227  .429  .289  .718 
         White Sox    37   15    51    2   11   0   2   1   1.96    4    3    8    0   0  .216  .353  .259  .612 
         TOTALS            87   284   30   64   6   3  14   4.93   42   24   61    1   1  .225  .415  .284  .699 
         TOTALS          1977  7023  986 1925 307  47 348   4.96 1239  666 1419   51  31  .274  .480  .338  .818 
         LG AVERAGE            6855  856 1808 302  52 147   2.14  795  680  976  169  82  .264  .387  .331  .718 
         POS AVERAGE           6931  944 1882 313  61 171   2.47  850  728 1106  246 100  .271  .409  .341  .750 
    
    YEAR TEAM          RC   RCAA  RCAP OWP   RC/G   TB   EBH  ISO   SEC  BPA  IBB HBP SAC  SF GIDP OUTS  PA   POS
    1969 Giants          1    1    0  .782   9.00    2    0  .000  .000  .400   0   0   0   0   0     3     5  RF
    1970 Giants          4    2    1  .706   7.71   12    3  .316  .421  .619   1   0   0   0   1    14    21  LF
    1971 Giants         11   -2   -4  .416   3.58   42    8  .133  .190  .384   1   0   0   1   4    83   112  LF
         Reds           36  -10  -13  .381   3.16  142   32  .152  .234  .392   2   7   1   3  16   308   402  CF
         TOTALS         47  -12  -17  .389   3.25  184   40  .148  .224  .390   3   7   1   4  20   391   514 
    1972 Reds            8  -10  -11  .184   1.74   41    7  .083  .131  .276   1   1   0   1   6   124   152  RF
    1973 Reds            8    3    3  .732   7.20   26    7  .385  .487  .651   0   0   0   0   1    30    43  CF
    1974 Reds           37    2   -3  .523   4.60  112   25  .141  .261  .446   5   4   2   2   8   217   314  RF
    1975 Reds           81   22   19  .634   6.36  240   51  .218  .309  .528  11   3   0   5  14   344   511  LF
    1976 Reds          110   43   32  .707   7.19  298   59  .224  .347  .569   4   4   0   9  11   413   627  LF
    1977 Reds          143   63   54  .738   8.64  388   85  .311  .420  .637  10   5   0   8  17   447   689  LF
    1978 Reds          113   35   26  .656   6.60  330   73  .265  .387  .566  16   7   0   6  18   462   687  LF
    1979 Reds           93   39   35  .728   7.77  247   51  .259  .393  .586   7   3   0   3  11   323   505  LF
    1980 Reds           90   22   10  .621   6.04  250   51  .201  .345  .515  14   1   0   4  14   402   608  LF
    1981 Reds           80   31   22  .703   7.01  215   47  .225  .357  .553   5   3   0   4  12   308   472  LF
    1982 Mets           61  -10   -9  .428   3.79  202   38  .120  .213  .396   9   2   0   6  13   434   608  LF
    1983 Mets           67  -12  -22  .420   3.77  252   49  .178  .243  .425   5   4   0   4  19   480   647  LF
    1984 Mets           72    3   -3  .513   4.56  245   47  .174  .231  .449   9   6   0   6  14   426   595  LF
    1985 Mets           68   14    7  .602   5.31  208   46  .197  .299  .490   5   2   0   4   8   346   504  LF
    1986 Mets           27   -3   -7  .451   3.84  100   20  .202  .296  .445   1   0   0   2   7   190   256  LF
         White Sox       4   -3   -4  .248   2.57   18    3  .137  .196  .352   0   0   0   0   2    42    54  LF
         TOTALS         31   -6  -11  .416   3.61  118   23  .190  .278  .429   1   0   0   2   9   232   310 
         TOTALS       1114  230  133  .598   5.57 3370  702  .206  .308  .501 106  52   3  68 196  5396  7812 
         LG AVERAGE    890    0    0  .500   4.45 2654  500  .123  .247  .433  86  34  56  59 153  5396  7683 
         POS AVERAGE   988   97    0  .541   4.94 2832  546  .137  .278  .464  74  37  39  62 147  5396  7796 
    
    
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    I hate to say it because I really liked George as a Red but....no. He doesn't belong in the HOF.

    I guessing that if someone asked George, straight up, 'do you belong in the HOF?', he'd give a straight up answer and say "No".

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCinatit View Post
    Somewhat true.
    The only reason Koufax's run did not extend further is that he retired young (30) due to injury. Basically, he was also voted in because of what could have happened, such as Addie Joss (imagine the number he could have put up...).
    Foster, on the other hand, continued his career for quite a while after his monster run - much of it being injury free, I believe, though the '81 strike did rob him of potentially another large year.
    Foster's number decline came mostly due to age (his numbers drop off significantly after 33), and arguably a departure from Cincinnati and appearance with the Mets.
    Baseball reference compares his stats to Gil Hodges, Willy Horton, Tino Martinez, Jack Clark and Del Ennis. Five very good players, but none are quite HOF caliber.
    I was just pointing out that on a rare occasion, 4 great years in a row can lead one to a HoF.

    I was never intending to compare Foster and Koufax's careers; obviously George had a lot more time (ultimately, to cool off) than Sandy K did.

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    The highest vote total Foster received for HOF induction was 6.9% , a far cry from the needed 75%.

    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/pl...layerId=114333
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    One word. No.
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    In recognition of his accomplishment, Foster received the NL's MVP award by a unanimous vote.

    .
    It wasn't unanimous. In fact it was pretty close.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...77.shtml#NLmvp
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Reds HOF sure, MLB HOF, no, not close.
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    The Baseball HoF in Cooperstown is for mere mortals, and thus not worthy of George's presence.

    George should instead have a spot on Mount Olympus.

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    No
    What he said.

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    No way.

    I don't think Dave Parker deserves to be in either, but he's much more deserving than Foster, as far as Reds sluggers of the past 40 years go.
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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    No way.

    I don't think Dave Parker deserves to be in either, but he's much more deserving than Foster, as far as Reds sluggers of the past 40 years go.
    Hey speaking of Reds sluggers...

    Career vs the league (Foster had 3000 more PA's
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    .010  .008  .093  .101 - George Foster
    .020  .029  .121  .150 - Kevin Mitchell

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    Re: Is George Foster worthy of the Hall of Fame?

    It hadn't occurred to me that George Foster hit more than 30 home runs in a season only twice in his career.


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