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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    Bruce was called up 5/27/08. Freel went to the DL (for the rest of the year) on 6/4/08. They were both on the active roster at the same time for about one week so that's a bogus point.

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    Good point. I was thinking it was more like a month. The only thing I was trying to say was that Dusty wasn't sitting Bruce in favor of a vet. Whoever that vet might've been.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I seem to recall Patterson had the job as our starting CF for two months, before he lost it because the Reds realized he was a disaster as a lead-off man. Patterson only got more playing time because of the rash of injuries. I expect if Taveras does as bad at lead-off as everyone expects, he will be banished to the bench. Unfortunately, it will be a lot harder to get rid of this contract.
    Two year deal. Best hope is a platoon with Dickerson. If I thought that would happen, I wouldn't be so unhappy about this move. Walt says two of his spots are set with Bruce and Taveras. He's the starter.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I seem to recall Patterson had the job as our starting CF for two months, before he lost it because the Reds realized he was a disaster as a lead-off man. Patterson only got more playing time because of the rash of injuries. I expect if Taveras does as bad at lead-off as everyone expects, he will be banished to the bench. Unfortunately, it will be a lot harder to get rid of this contract.
    It took a .220 batting average for Dusty to sit Patterson down. If Taveras is hitting .250, he'll be providing negative value, but I seriously doubt Dusty would sit him down. As we saw with Patterson, Dusty needs to have no other choice -- he won't make it on his own volition.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    So if I'm Chris Dickerson, I'm trying to figure out why the FO doesn't like my game but somehow think Willy Fricken Traveras is the answer to any sort of question.

    I mean, did Dickerson fart in Dusty's soup or something?
    Dickerson has little history of MLB hitting, sure Willy stinks to high heaven, but he's a veteran at stinking it up
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    I can't believe the secrecy in terms of what the Reds are paying Taveras. If we were talking about a good player, or even a slightly above average player, I could understand.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Do teams usually tell you what they pay players? I always assumed it came from the players/agents side.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Dickerson has little history of MLB hitting, sure Willy stinks to high heaven, but he's a veteran at stinking it up
    Good point. He's got "vet experience" and "knows how to win" because he was on a World Series Team.

    Plus he fills the apparently newly created "CF/Leadoff Position". I don't remember getting the memo that that was a new MLB position, but what do I know.

    Besides, I was looking for an excuse to roll out the "fart in his soup" line.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Good point. He's got "vet experience" and "knows how to win" because he was on a World Series Team.

    Plus he fills the apparently newly created "CF/Leadoff Position". I don't remember getting the memo that that was a new MLB position, but what do I know.

    Besides, I was looking for an excuse to roll out the "fart in his soup" line.
    I think you also missed the memo that the Reds needed one, because last I knew the Reds had a guy for that 'position' already.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    But I've got no problem at all with his defense, his speed or his hitting for that matter.
    His defense is mediocre, his speed has no positive effect on his value and his hitting is abysmal.

    Why on earth do you have no problem with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Heck, I'm not even expecting him to be handed the CF starting job. The results of ST will determine that.
    You are kidding yourself if you think there will be any real "competition" for the starting CF spot. Willy's been pimped as the leadoff CF bat. Walt himself has said so. Dusty has a track record of batting the CF leadoff. And Dusty has a track record of going with vet goodness.

    Sorry SC, baring injury or divine intervention Willy T will be in CF come opening day.
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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Fay's reading of the tea leaves... speed, defense, pitching. Maybe Hairston in LF.

    Man, we are going to have to get some really good pitching.

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...812280439/1071

    Reds think speed's the ticket
    Signing Taveras signals new direction

    By John Fay jfay@enquirer.com December 28, 2008

    The signing of Willy Taveras might be a precursor to a new, different type of Reds team.

    General manager Walt Jocketty said as much when he said the club is still interested in bringing back Jerry Hairston Jr.

    "He could end up being the left fielder if we can't get that RBI man, which might be hard to do at this point," Jocketty said. "We may have a different type of team, where we rely on speed and defense and try to manufacture runs. We've still got some guys who can hit the ball out of the ballpark - (Joey) Votto, (Jay) Bruce and (Edwin) Encarnacion. But we're going to be a little bit different kind of team."

    How different? Consider the Reds had Ken Griffey Jr. and Adam Dunn as starting outfielders for the past seven seasons. Griffey and Dunn have 889 home runs between them. Taveras and Hairston have 46.

    The Reds targeted Taveras as soon as the Colorado Rockies, his last club, didn't offer him a 2009 contract. The Reds were the first team to call, and quickly made an offer.

    "He fills a couple of needs," Jocketty said. "He gives us very good defense in center field, and he's potentially a very good leadoff man."

    Potentially is the key word in that sentence.

    Taveras is coming off a year in which he hit .251 and had a .308 on-base percentage.

    "He needs to get back to the way he was swinging the bat and getting on base a couple of years ago," Jocketty said. "Jamie Quirk, who's with us now, was with Willy in Colorado and feels like Willy can get back to that."

    Taveras hit .320 and had a .367 on-base in 2007. His career on-base percentage is .331. He has virtually no power. His career slugging percentage is .337. He has 80 extra-base hits in 1,973 career at-bats.

    Taveras is one of the fastest runners in baseball. He led the majors with 68 steals last season and was caught only seven times in 75 attempts.

    Taveras is still young. He turned 27 on Dec. 25. He sees this as an opportunity to get his career back on track.

    "It's a young team," he said. "I think I fit in well. I'll come in and play hard. I'm happy to play for Dusty (Baker). It's an opportunity to play every day, no matter what happened the day before."

    Taveras mentioned Baker several times in a conference call with reporters.

    "I've heard from plenty of guys that he lets you do what you do well," Taveras said. "I'm looking forward to playing for him."

    Taveras broke into the majors with the Houston Astros.

    "A couple of teams were interested," he said. "The best situation was with the Reds. I really like playing in the Central Division. I feel lucky to play for Dusty."

    The Reds have an offer out to Hairston. They are still in the running to sign Rocco Baldelli, another free-agent outfielder. Jocketty said the Reds still are looking into Baldelli's medical reports but expect to have further discussions.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Of course Willy feels lucky to play for Dusty. He went from #5 outfielder for the other interested teams to a leadoff hitter for 2 years.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    It's been mentioned that Tavaras will add depth to the OF and I have no problem with him as the #4 OF----in L'ville. :

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    "He needs to get back to the way he was swinging the bat and getting on base a couple of years ago," Jocketty said.
    You mean poorly as opposed to downright awful? If he goes back to 2008, 2006 and/or 2005 form he'll improve all the way up to bad.

    It's an opportunity to play every day, no matter what happened the day before."
    For those who argue Willy T won't be penciled in as starting CF. Here's another bullet in the "500 PA's for Willy T" gun.

    While Willy T's comment might be true for him, or Corey Patterson, it doesn't apply (apparently) to Chris Dickerson.

    "I've heard from plenty of guys that he lets you do what you do well," Taveras said. "I'm looking forward to figuring out what the hell I do well."
    Cleaned that up a bit.
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    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post

    Man, we are going to have to get some really good pitching.
    Yep. But it ain't there.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Those quotes by Jocketty are disgusting


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