Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

[Always Red]

This been said a couple times now, and lost in the noise.

Tavaras is a batting average driven player, now playing in a park that suppresses doubles and triples.

He's also devoid of any SLG abilities in a park built around sluggers.

He's creates outs at a rapid pace, at the front of a line-up that creates outs at a rapid pace.

Seriously. I know this thread is lengthy but how anyone can support this signing is beyond me. Hell, Redmetz had a snarky post about it somewhere a thousand posts ago. That ought to tell us something.

Yes, this has been stated before, but I agree, it does bear repeating.

There will never be 100% agreement on this; someone will always disagree just to disagree, in the face of all reason. The last couple hundred posts have been trying to persuade the unenlightened that Taveras really does suck.

Heck, speaking of lead off hitters, the greatest one of them all (in my opinion), Rickey Henderson, is up for the HoF this year, and yes, there will be a few who will not think he deserves to be elected, and will not vote for him.

If they were able to get Taveras on the cheap, and plan on using him for platoon, back-up and filler until others are available, and bat him 7th or 8th in the lineup, then I'm ok. But that's not what Jocketty said. I love the emphasis on pitching and defense, as this team has needed that for years. This team has bashed its way to 5th place for too long now. But pitching and defense, especially pitching, are not mutually exclusive of offense- it is possible to have both.

I don't think it's going to happen, but I'm hoping Taveras has a great year (well, 2 years actually). He's a Red now, and I'll be rooting for him.

[Highlifeman21]

He came cheaper than Patterson according to what CTrent was told.

So b/c he's cheaper than Patterson, but worse than Patterson that somehow makes this all a good thing?

[remdog]

Sorry I missed it but what is CTR saying Tavaras cost the Reds?

Is he saying that Tavaras is cheaper than the rediculous $3M that Wayne paid an unemployed piece of dreck last year or is he saying that Willie is cheaper than the $650K that JimBo signed C. Patterson for?

If the Reds spent less than $650K, I'm good with that. If CTR is useing the $3M mark as cheaper then that's a problem.

Rem

[dougdirt]

Sorry I missed it but what is CTR saying Tavaras cost the Reds?

Is he saying that Tavaras is cheaper than the rediculous $3M that Wayne paid an unemployed piece of dreck last year or is he saying that Willie is cheaper than the $650K that JimBo signed C. Patterson for?

If the Reds spent less than $650K, I'm good with that. If CTR is useing the $3M mark as cheaper then that's a problem.

Rem

Well, either way, 650,000 is still less than 3,000,000. If they are paying him less than a million, I will feel much better about the chances of him being benched when its apparent he sucks. I think he is probably looking at a 2 year, 5 million dollar deal though.

[SMcGavin]

Intangibles dont count around here, only calculations count, it's called, "mountain of evidence."

Josh Fogg was right with Taveras on that team, he made 29 starts for the 2007 Rockies when they made the World Series. Sign him up! We need more winners.

[Raisor]

Well, either way, 650,000 is still less than 3,000,000. If they are paying him less than a million, I will feel much better about the chances of him being benched when its apparent he sucks. I think he is probably looking at a 2 year, 5 million dollar deal though.

Yeah, I highly doubt he signed a two year deal if it was less then a mil a year.

[remdog]

Well, either way, 650,000 is still less than 3,000,000. If they are paying him less than a million, I will feel much better about the chances of him being benched when its apparent he sucks. I think he is probably looking at a 2 year, 5 million dollar deal though.

Yep. You're right on the money (pun attended) .

I'm just worried that your 2 yr./$5M estimate is correct.

Could have had better 'D' with c. Patt for $650K. (sigh)

Rem

[Blitz Dorsey]

2-years, $5 million is what I'm thinking too. Hopefully it's a bit less than that, but it won't be much less.

[Blitz Dorsey]

CTrent was definitely talking about what the Reds (over)paid for Patterson last season, not what the Nats paid for him.

[RedsManRick]

This been said a couple times now, and lost in the noise:

Tavaras is a batting average driven player, now playing in a park that suppresses doubles and triples.

I'm surprised I haven't seen this point yet. The few doubles and triples he's gotten were surely helped by a cavernous Coors field. Extra space ahead of and between OF. Taveras doesn't hit the ball far enough in the air for GABP to be a help for HR and with much less ground to cover, that's just one more strike against him.

[Ron Madden]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this point yet. The few doubles and triples he's gotten were surely helped by a cavernous Coors field. Extra space ahead of and between OF. Taveras doesn't hit the ball far enough in the air for GABP to be a help for HR and with much less ground to cover, that's just one more strike against him.

Taveras is just a clone of Norris Hopper.

[Blitz Dorsey]

So, everyone is pretty happy with the Taveras signing, huh?













Just kidding.

[Ron Madden]

So, everyone is pretty happy with the Taveras signing, huh?

Yeah, it went over like a turd in the punchbowl.

[blumj]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this point yet. The few doubles and triples he's gotten were surely helped by a cavernous Coors field. Extra space ahead of and between OF. Taveras doesn't hit the ball far enough in the air for GABP to be a help for HR and with much less ground to cover, that's just one more strike against him.

I brought it up in one of the earlier Tavarez threads, if he can't hit the ball far enough to leg out some extra doubles and triples in Coors, where the heck could he?

[WVPacman]

WOW how about we give the guy a chance first before you trash him like Corey Patterson.As of right now I would rather have Willy Taveras on our team than Corey Patterson.You guys are jumping to conclusions way to fast and he has'nt even gotten a chance.