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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    The base of below market and highly productive talent in the rotation and lineup would have allowed for this team to be competitive in the 09-10 window given the right set of additions -- ones which could have been made within a reasonable payroll allowance and willingness to trade possible future production for present production.

    To date, the Reds approach has been to add marginal talent and pray. If it's not going to happen in 2009-2010, then why waste your money on Tavares -- just play Dickerson or Hopper and be done with it. If you're trying to win in 2009-2010 and you know you need to improve both offensively and defensively, then how does adding Willy Taveras help? Regardless of what you're trying to accomplish in 2009, adding Taveras doesn't seem to make any sense.
    The Reds needed three relievers and at bare minimum one very good starter starter, a defense, and a part of an offense to contend. In one offseason. Good luck with that.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The Reds needed three relievers and at bare minimum one very good starter starter, a defense, and a part of an offense to contend. In one offseason. Good luck with that.
    So given the difficulty of adding a lot of pieces, add one that doesn't provide any benefit? I fully understand the scope of the challenge. I just don't understand how the difficulty of the task justifies taking steps in the wrong direction.

    If Tavares is a bridge to a better team in the future, he's redundant. If he's part of the immediate solution to the mound of problems you've identified, he's a pretty poor one. In either case, I don't see the logic.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post

    And FWIW, I wasn't talking about this board anyway. I was talking about this city.
    Fair enough, but you can understand my confusion. "Here" usually means here.

    And I was referring to the acquisition of Tavares thread, the one where it was Krusty, icehole, and SirCharles against a crowd.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    So given the difficulty of adding a lot of pieces, add one that doesn't provide any benefit? I fully understand the scope of the challenge. I just don't understand how the difficulty of the task justifies taking steps in the wrong direction.

    If Tavares is a bridge to a better team in the future, he's redundant. If he's part of the immediate solution to the mound of problems you've identified, he's a pretty poor one. In either case, I don't see the logic.
    I'm not defending the Tavares acquisition; I thought it was bad.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    what's the record for number of pages in a single thread anyway? This thing is outta control.

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    Re: Reds sign Willy Taveras to 2 year deal....

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    what's the record for number of pages in a single thread anyway? This thing is outta control.
    Let's just say Erik Bedard is not getting nervous yet.


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