By the way, I'm sure it's been said earlier in this thread, but what happens if you put Chris Dickerson out there for 650 PAs in CF? Isn't the absolute worst case scenario that he puts up a season like Willy Taveras (fast, good defense, no bat)?
By the way, I'm sure it's been said earlier in this thread, but what happens if you put Chris Dickerson out there for 650 PAs in CF? Isn't the absolute worst case scenario that he puts up a season like Willy Taveras (fast, good defense, no bat)?
Edabbs, my expectations were to hope for a .500 season. Was that reasonable? For those that wanted more, Tavares is a dagger. Unless someone puts up a 1.030 OPS to help mask Taveras' awfulness.
That .700 OPS era for CF is over, especially with smaller parks, since 2000 only 18% of the CF who have played enough to qualify for the batting title have had an OPS of .700 or less, 17 guys out of 91 and Taveras is there three timesOriginally Posted by Will M
Code:NATIONAL LEAGUE SEASON 2000-2008 CF OPS YEAR OPS 1 Jim Edmonds 2004 1.061 2 Richard Hidalgo 2000 1.028 3 Brian Giles 2000 1.026 4 Jim Edmonds 2003 1.002 5 Jim Edmonds 2000 .994 6 Lance Berkman 2002 .982 7 Carlos Beltran 2006 .982 8 Jim Edmonds 2002 .981 9 Jim Edmonds 2001 .974 10 Ken Griffey Jr. 2005 .946 11 Ken Griffey Jr. 2000 .942 12 Andruw Jones 2005 .922 13 Jim Edmonds 2005 .918 14 Andruw Jones 2000 .907 15 Steve Finley 2000 .904 16 Andruw Jones 2006 .894 17 Aaron Rowand 2007 .889 18 Preston Wilson 2003 .880 19 Andruw Jones 2002 .878 20 Carlos Beltran 2007 .878 21 Carlos Beltran 2008 .876 22 Steve Finley 2002 .869 23 Steve Finley 2003 .863 24 Nate McLouth 2008 .853 25 Andruw Jones 2003 .851 26 Brad Wilkerson 2002 .840 27 Mike Cameron 2006 .837 28 Andruw Jones 2004 .833 29 Preston Wilson 2001 .825 30 Steve Finley 2004 .823 31 Scott Podsednik 2003 .822 32 Preston Wilson 2000 .817 33 Richard Hidalgo 2001 .811 34 Mark Kotsay 2002 .810 35 Mike Cameron 2008 .809 36 Cody Ross 2008 .804 37 Kenny Lofton 2003 .801 38 Shane Victorino 2008 .799 39 Matt Kemp 2008 .799 40 Brady Clark 2005 .798 41 Mike Cameron 2004 .798 42 Eric Byrnes 2006 .795 43 Juan Pierre 2001 .793 44 Preston Wilson 2005 .793 45 Marquis Grissom 2003 .790 46 Milton Bradley 2004 .786 47 Marlon Byrd 2003 .784 48 Juan Pierre 2004 .781 49 Jay Payton 2000 .778 50 Marquis Grissom 2004 .773 51 Andruw Jones 2001 .772 52 Corey Patterson 2004 .771 53 Steve Finley 2001 .767 54 Skip Schumaker 2008 .765 55 Kenny Lofton 2006 .763 56 Chris Young 2007 .763 57 Craig Biggio 2003 .763 58 Ryan Freel 2006 .762 59 Mike Cameron 2007 .759 60 Preston Wilson 2002 .759 61 Chris Young 2008 .758 62 Brad Wilkerson 2005 .756 63 Aaron Rowand 2008 .749 64 Carlos Beltran 2005 .744 65 Bill Hall 2007 .740 66 Marvin Benard 2000 .739 67 Juan Pierre 2003 .734 68 Lastings Milledge 2008 .731 69 Jeffrey Hammonds 2002 .729 70 Mark Kotsay 2003 .726 71 Andruw Jones 2007 .724 72 Juan Pierre 2006 .717 73 Damon Buford 2000 .714 74 Tom Goodwin 2000 .698 75 Jay Payton 2004 .693 76 Endy Chavez 2004 .688 77 Juan Pierre 2007 .685 78 Tike Redman 2004 .684 79 Doug Glanville 2000 .681 80 Juan Pierre 2005 .680 81 Scott Podsednik 2004 .677 82 Corey Patterson 2002 .676 83 Juan Pierre 2002 .675 84 Willy Taveras 2006 .672 85 Peter Bergeron 2000 .669 86 Willy Taveras 2005 .666 87 Doug Glanville 2001 .660 88 Endy Chavez 2003 .648 89 Marquis Grissom 2000 .640 90 Willy Taveras 2008 .604 91 Michael Bourn 2008 .588
True.
But he still won't be a very good baseball player.
Rem
And before they were?
So if the season started today, this would be the most likely Dusty lineup, right?
Willy T 308/296
Dickerson 413/609
Votto 368/506
BP 312/442
Bruce 314/453
EE 340/466
Kep 310/346
Hernandez 309/406
5 of 8 with sub 315 OBP in 2008.
I expect Bruce to get better, Votto to slow down a bit, Dickerson to fall way down (probably around the 330/450 area).
Yeah, that's not going to work for me.
But he'll probably endorse a chili product.True.
But he still won't be a very good baseball player.
Rem
My thought exactly, though for whatever reason, Dickerson doesn't have the confidence of the FO to do at least as good as Willy.
Is the FO making moves just to make moves?
Could Dickerson be one of the players involved in a trade for the RH power bat...like with Homer for Dye?
Just wondering, because this move rally doesn't make sense when you consider that we already have Dickerson on the tam.
"Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."
2007 was the aberration. 2008 was simply a repeat of 2005 and 2006.
Great idea. He can get together with Bronson and create a whole new series of commercials entitled, 'Tasteing It Again!' (Sung to an old, familiar tune...) .
Rem
I had to quote this because no argument made in this whole thread sums it up quite like this one. woy dispelled the myth of the weak hitting CF and put Taveras in context with his peers.
And that context is he sucks beyond measure.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Yeah, unfortunately, there's no Dave Duncan and no Albert Pujols. Those are a couple fairly not-minor problems. Regardless of the sport, the game eventually passes by everyone. It's just fate that Castellini assembled an entire staff of that sort.
"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
--Ted Williams
Not sure I'd reduce Walt's tenure to Pujols and the nebulous benefits of a pitching coach.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
You can call him anything you want, it doesnt matter because the data is very clear on what type of player Taveras actually is.
The last five or so years certainly were. Having Pujols lets you screw around and get away with Womack signings. Good luck with that here...
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