Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 32

Thread: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    10,089

    Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    for LHP Garrett Olson according to Rosenthal. Would you have offered Bill Bray?
    Go BLUE!!!

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member Tom Servo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    7,913

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    I would have offered a prospect like Roenicke but not Bray. Seems like a pretty good deal for the Orioles though.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

  4. #3
    Member GADawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Athens, Georgia
    Posts
    1,148

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    the three headed monster that is Tampa/Boston/NYY better look out now!! Anyone else sick of hearing about Pie's promise? I know he hasn't really had that opportunity to "blossom" but I just don't get all the hype.

  5. #4
    Start the Reactor! *BaseClogger*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Posts
    6,458

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    the three headed monster that is Tampa/Boston/NYY better look out now!! Anyone else sick of hearing about Pie's promise? I know he hasn't really had that opportunity to "blossom" but I just don't get all the hype.
    Just like Maybin...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

  6. #5
    He has the Evil Eye! flyer85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    south of the border
    Posts
    23,858

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    nice deal for the O's. there is upside and they gave away very little.
    What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

  7. #6
    Something clever pahster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Reno, NV
    Posts
    1,910

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    the three headed monster that is Tampa/Boston/NYY better look out now!! Anyone else sick of hearing about Pie's promise? I know he hasn't really had that opportunity to "blossom" but I just don't get all the hype.
    Minor league career: .299/.353/.470

    And he's only going to be 24 next year.

  8. #7
    No half measures, Walter RedEye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    8,449

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    That OF of Nick Markakis, Adam Jones and Felix Pie could be very, very good in a few years. Low risk, high reward deal for the O's.
    "Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013

  9. #8
    Churlish Johnny Footstool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Olathe, KS
    Posts
    13,832

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    I don't see why the Cubs made this deal.
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

  10. #9
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,183

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I don't see why the Cubs made this deal.
    Pretty simple. Pie is out of options and the cubs have Bradly, Soriano, Fukudome, Reed Johnson, Gathright, and Hoffpauir. Pie simply wasn't going to get a shot and would have had to be waived to be taken off the 40 man and sent down -- and he wouldn't have made it through waivers.

    Turning him in to a young pitcher was a decent move, especially when you consider the Cubs don't have much in the way of good SP prospects behind Veal and Gallagher. Olsen was dominant in the minors and is pretty young still. He actually reminds me a lot of Matt Maloney from a stuff and results perspective.

    As for the Reds picking him up, I'd much rather have him out there than Taveras given his upside.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  11. #10
    The Lineups stink. KronoRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    West N. Carolina
    Posts
    55,719

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I don't see why the Cubs made this deal.
    Clearing a spot for an OF perhaps.Dunn maybe?
    Go Gators!

  12. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta, aka, the most prosperous city in the world.
    Posts
    10,759

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    for LHP Garrett Olson according to Rosenthal. Would you have offered Bill Bray?

    If I'm trading Bray for Pie, it better be pecan or apple.

    Felix Pie will leave a bad taste in your mouth.

  13. #12
    Churlish Johnny Footstool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Olathe, KS
    Posts
    13,832

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Pretty simple. Pie is out of options and the cubs have Bradly, Soriano, Fukudome, Reed Johnson, Gathright, and Hoffpauir. Pie simply wasn't going to get a shot and would have had to be waived to be taken off the 40 man and sent down -- and he wouldn't have made it through waivers.

    Turning him in to a young pitcher was a decent move, especially when you consider the Cubs don't have much in the way of good SP prospects behind Veal and Gallagher. Olsen was dominant in the minors and is pretty young still. He actually reminds me a lot of Matt Maloney from a stuff and results perspective.

    As for the Reds picking him up, I'd much rather have him out there than Taveras given his upside.
    I'm not questioning their motivation; I'm questioning the return. I don't see Olsen as anything special.
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

  14. #13
    Greatness In The Making RedLegSuperStar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,078

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Wasn't Baltimore linked to the Cubs and Padres with Peavy? Could the Peavy talks start back up now?
    "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans


    2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L

    2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L

    2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L

    2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

  15. #14
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,183

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I'm not questioning their motivation; I'm questioning the return. I don't see Olsen as anything special.
    The return they got was not stellar because the Cubs had no leverage. They clearly didn't have a spot for him on the 25 man roster, he's out of options, and he's hiccuped a few times trying to transition to the majors. The other subplot of course is that Olsen is somebody the Padres expressed interested in during Peavy talks.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 01-18-2009 at 07:46 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  16. #15
    Greatness In The Making RedLegSuperStar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,078

    Re: Cubs trade Pie to Orioles

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Wasn't Baltimore linked to the Cubs and Padres with Peavy? Could the Peavy talks start back up now?
    Sounds like my speculation could become reality..The link for this can be found on MLBTradeRumors.com

    Cubs gets pitcher sought by Padres
    By Tom Krasovic January 18, 2009
    Garrett Olson is a left-handed pitcher of some interest to the Padres who today was traded to the Cubs. The Padres had sought Olson from the Orioles for Khalil Greene. The Padres also considered Olson a potential minor piece in 5-for-1 trade scenarios with the Cubs centering on Jake Peavy. Does that mean a Peavy trade is more likely now? That's overstating things, but Olson does give the Cubs a bit more flexibility, whether they decide to go after Peavy or not.
    There are several things to remember here, some of which point against a trade, some which do not: 1) Sandy Alderson said on Friday in his strongest terms yet that he expects Peavy to be with the Padres on Opening Day; 2) The Cubs still may not know whether their pending sale will allow them to raise their payroll in 2010, a big obstacle considering Peavy will be due $15 million that season; 3) For all his talk about retaining Peavy, Alderson nonethless kept the door slightly ajar on Friday. He had talked about announcing in mid-January that Peavy definitely will be with the Padres for Opening Day, but on Friday, he pushed that back to Feb. 1; 4) The Padres still have a bit of payroll issue that would be alleviated by moving Peavy, who is due $11 million in salary this year. Oviously they have made it clear that such a trade needs to make baseball sense. Everyone gets that. Still, the payroll situation isn't great. Unless the Padres trade Peavy or another player with a sizable salary, the Padres would have to float at least $5 million in salary to meet the $40 million payroll mandated by owner John Moores (who so fa, has made itclear he isn't interesting in making cash calls this year). To make the payroll numbers work, the Padres could aniticipate trading Peavy or Brian Giles this season. But that plan exposes the club to risks such as an injury, under-performance by Giles or Peavy, or Giles vetoing a trade, something he did last August. If Peavy were to suffer an elbow flareup at all like the one of last May, his trade value would be nil, considering that he is still owed $63 million.
    The Cubs now have two left-handed pitchers -- Olson and Sean Marshall -- who interested the Padres in the Peavy trade talks. Leading into the winter meetings, the Padres liked their chances of getting Marshall, but the Cubs removed him from consideration during talks in Las Vegas. Obviously now it would be easier for the Cubs to part with one or two of those lefties if they would get Peavy. Again, others in the deal almost certainly would include the Cubs' top prospect -- Single-A third baseman Josh Vitters -- and Cubs reliever Kevin Hart.
    "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans


    2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L

    2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L

    2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L

    2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L


Turn Off Ads?

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25