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    Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

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    If the Ravens lose today to Pittsburgh, don't be surprised if defensive coordinator Rex Ryan is named head coach of the New York Jets Monday or Tuesday. Ryan and the Jets are reportedly close to a deal, but nothing is definite.

    If Ryan leaves, look for him to take several Ravens coaches with him, including linebackers coach Mike Pettine, who would become the Jets' defensive coordinator. Ryan also likes Ravens quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson, who would become the Jets' offensive coordinator. The only problem is that Jackson is also being approached by Bengals coach Marvin Lewis to become Cincinnati's offensive coordinator.

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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    That sounds too good to be true...

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    I'd think if the Bengals were going to dismiss Bratkowski, they would have done so by now.
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    I'd think if the Bengals were going to dismiss Bratkowski, they would have done so by now.
    Its always possible that they're waiting to see who is available after the playoffs unfold. If they fire Bratkowski and are unable to find a better option and end up hiring a coach that doesn't deserve to be an OC then they're in even worse shape. Although some may say you couldn't possibly get worse than Brat.
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    They really need to can Brat. His running schemes are particularly awful. The way he would send Perry up the gut when he was so much more effective running to the outside was an excellent microcosm of his overall horribleness.
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    They really need to can Brat. His running schemes are particularly awful. The way he would send Perry up the gut when he was so much more effective running to the outside was an excellent microcosm of his overall horribleness.
    I could only laugh at how often they sent Perry up the middle and Benson on the outside. I'd like to see the Bengals go in a different direction, but there's a big part of me that tells me Bratkowski has a lot of tricks up his sleeves that weren't used because the Bengals were out of the competition so early. If he were to return, I wouldn't have a problem with it. There's only so far you can go with an injured franchise QB, no starting HB or FB, a blocking TE, WRs battling injury, and a patchwork offensive line.

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    Offense is garbage in garbage out. When you don't have a line that can create holes and move the defense around, it doesn't matter if you have Kreskin running the offense. It's going to suck. Bratkowski was the offensive coordinator a few years ago when the Bengals were actually capable of scoring in bunches.
    It's not Bratkowski, people.
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    Offense is garbage in garbage out. When you don't have a line that can create holes and move the defense around, it doesn't matter if you have Kreskin running the offense. It's going to suck. Bratkowski was the offensive coordinator a few years ago when the Bengals were actually capable of scoring in bunches.
    It's not Bratkowski, people.
    I agree. The offensive lines the last few years have really been coach killers.

    No OC would look good having Perry as the featured back and last year's Plan B at quarterback if Carson goes down.

    Their problems start at a higher payscale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    Offense is garbage in garbage out. When you don't have a line that can create holes and move the defense around, it doesn't matter if you have Kreskin running the offense. It's going to suck. Bratkowski was the offensive coordinator a few years ago when the Bengals were actually capable of scoring in bunches.
    It's not Bratkowski, people.
    If only it were that simple, although I credit 2005 with having a lot of toys to work with on offense and a respectable defense.

    What will live in my mind was the first game of this season. The Bengals got a turnover on the Ravens first possession and were well within striking range. Any time you get a turnover like that, you go straight for the kill. Bratkowski ran the ball the first two times and Palmer was sacked on third down, knocking them out of field goal range.

    Bratkowski is way too conservative, and that is really what has stifled the Bengals offense, especially the last two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    If only it were that simple, although I credit 2005 with having a lot of toys to work with on offense and a respectable defense.

    What will live in my mind was the first game of this season. The Bengals got a turnover on the Ravens first possession and were well within striking range. Any time you get a turnover like that, you go straight for the kill. Bratkowski ran the ball the first two times and Palmer was sacked on third down, knocking them out of field goal range.

    Bratkowski is way too conservative, and that is really what has stifled the Bengals offense, especially the last two years.
    Brat conservative? I was with you guys until then. The guy might have been a tad conservative this year as he should have with the players he had to work with. But if you have ever truly paid attention to Brat he's far from conservative at least by my definition. I always felt he was way too pass happy.
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Brat conservative? I was with you guys until then. The guy might have been a tad conservative this year as he should have with the players he had to work with. But if you have ever truly paid attention to Brat he's far from conservative at least by my definition. I always felt he was way too pass happy.
    Pass happy by my definition is Okalahoma or Texas Tech in college football, so there may be a difference.

    Of course, it is also situational as well. If you are playing catchup the entire game, as the Bengals did most of the season, of course you are going to be passing more.

    IMO, im willing to give Bratkowski one more year, same with Marvin. You can't fault either one for some of the things that happened this year, the offensive line being reduced to nothing and Palmer's injury, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    Pass happy by my definition is Okalahoma or Texas Tech in college football, so there may be a difference.

    Of course, it is also situational as well. If you are playing catchup the entire game, as the Bengals did most of the season, of course you are going to be passing more.

    IMO, im willing to give Bratkowski one more year, same with Marvin. You can't fault either one for some of the things that happened this year, the offensive line being reduced to nothing and Palmer's injury, for example.
    As far as pass happy goes in the NFL Brat is one of the leaders in the clubhouse. He's not Mike Martz bad but he's in the argument after that.

    That said it's the head coaches responsibility to let the OC know that philosophically speaking running the ball has to be an actual priority and not just one talked about. Of course we have also never had a RB that fits Brats offense, Perry was the closest in theory but proved not to be good enough. Ricky Watters was thee back for this offense in Seattle and he was an excellent fit. I know the guy is old now but I would offer Edgerrin James a 1 yr deal to see what he has left, assuming clearly better options are off the table. Another guy who might fit is Giants RB Derrick Ward. Ward with Benson would be a pretty good 1-2 punch.

    But like you I believe the health of the O-Line or the lack thereof is what caused the downfall of a once mighty offense. Get that line what it needs and we are right back on track, assuming Carson doesn't get hurt yet again (someone please knock on wood).
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    I'm amazed that people want to give Bratkowski the benefit of the doubt. Time for new ideas.
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    Re: Is Bratkowski on his way out as Bengals OC?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    I'm amazed that people want to give Bratkowski the benefit of the doubt. Time for new ideas.
    I have no problem with new ideas and a new OC.

    I just don't know what new ideas will mask a terrible O-line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newport Red View Post
    I have no problem with new ideas and a new OC.

    I just don't know what new ideas will mask a terrible O-line.
    I agree the O-line sucks and needs revamping... it's just that I'm just as sick of Brat and his play-calling.
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