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    Re: Reds are at payroll budget

    Newman and Cesar

    That is the biggest reason I have been so ticked off this offseason. They made lateral moves that didn't improve the team all the while putting up a front that says we are trying to win. It's a joke and an insult to an educated fan. As mentioned, why sign Taveras to a 2 year backloaded deal? You're telling me that you couldn't get a non-tendered below average leadoff man on a 1 year deal? He couldn't have had many offers to be a starting CF'er. What if Stubbs is ready next season? He's a better defender and has a much higher ceiling that Taveras, and I would bet that Stubbs would be better than Taveras if he was given the chance.
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    Re: Reds are at payroll budget

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Just so you know the bet you have between 757690 is that the Reds will score more runs in 2009 than they did in 2008. They scored 704 runs in 2008, not 750. Just making sure you know that before you double your bet.
    Oh I know the wager, don't worry, thanks for your concern.

    Believe it or not, this is a bet I'd love to lose - and am more concerned that we score 750+ as a team, because that is what we would need to do in order to even attempt to close the runs, and hence, wins gap that we need to even sniff any notion of contention this year.

    Of course, that is still a dream; anything short of signing Manny Ramirez pretty much guarantees we won't approach that 750 number. Actually, we may not have breached 700 with him once Wily Tavares was cemented in for 600 AB's in the leadoff spot.

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    Re: Reds are at payroll budget

    Hey BLEEDS, do you also think the Reds run differential will be worse than last year?
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: Reds are at payroll budget

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    Hey BLEEDS, do you also think the Reds run differential will be worse than last year?
    Hoping not, but if it closes, it will be because of the pitching, not the offense.

    We need it from both ends, obviously, and including defense. I haven't seen enough yet from the offense to say it is getting any better, and all signs point to markedly worse...

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    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

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    Re: Reds are at payroll budget

    Quote Originally Posted by BLEEDS View Post
    Hoping not, but if it closes, it will be because of the pitching, not the offense.

    We need it from both ends, obviously, and including defense. I haven't seen enough yet from the offense to say it is getting any better, and all signs point to markedly worse...

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    I agree that not enough has been done to improve the defense, but I definitely see it improving over last year. Again that is not saying much, since last year the Reds looked like the bad new bears most of the season. Here is how I see it breaking down.

    C - The same, maybe a little worse
    1B - Better from experience
    2B - The same
    3B - Better from experience
    SS - Much better, even if Gonzo is not fully recovered. SS was a horrible black hole of suck last year. Kepp, Hariston and Cabrera were just terrible and made up most of the innings.
    LF - Better if it is a Dickerson/Gomes platoon. Gomes is worse than Dunn, but Dickerson is much, much better, and should log most of the innings in the field, around 70%.
    CF - Same. Taveras is not as good as Patterson, but remember Bruce logged a lot of innings there too, before Jr. was traded. That brought last year's overall defensive production down in CF.
    RF - Much better. Bruce looked a little lost there last year, but he should get better, and Jr. was painful to watch.


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