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    Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

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    Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online
    By Bernie Miklasz
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    Thursday, Jan. 22 2009
    What happens when a baseball general manager enters the Internet jungle?

    Debating topics on the online chats and forums can be a full-contact sport.

    I should know; I've been hosting "Bernie's Press Box" on STLtoday.com for
    nearly 10 years. And it can get rough. We keep it civil on my forum, and I
    appreciate exchanging comments with about 90 percent of the regulars who visit.
    And they regularly educate and enlighten me. We've developed a good online
    community. But the hack-a-Shaq strategy does come into play at times. If I'm
    fouled, I'll take the free throws and keep hanging in there. But on the other
    end, I also contest layups. No freebies. I'll do what I have to do. Which
    usually means zinging an insult right back.

    Hard fouls? Sure. This ain't supposed to be something out of Miss Manners. If
    you're going to set up shop on the Internet to truly interact with readers,
    then you should try to keep it real, and spontaneous. And sports fans like to
    bust on each other. It's no worse than the discourse we have in our culture
    over politics and religion.

    Besides, what's the point of offering vanilla, homogenized answers? If that's
    the plan, just stay up in the ivory tower where it's safe, where you can look
    down on everyone, where you can avoid being held accountable.

    But I'm just a lowly sportswriter.

    I never claimed to have any class.

    In the Internet jungle, my No. 1 law is to treat others as they treat you. If
    you want to be friendly, I can do that. If you want to be rough, then let's go.

    But what happens if a GM comes onto the website and is dissed by a critic?

    In John Mozeliak's case, he cracked back.

    Wednesday, the Cardinals GM hosted an online chat at STLtoday.com. He does this
    several times a year, and I admire that. You don't see many GMs in the four
    major sports leagues step up to give fans unrestricted access on the Internet,
    where the questions come from anonymous individuals. It's easy to take free
    shots at the GM of the Cardinals when you're hiding behind the cover of
    anonymity.

    Mozeliak doesn't shield himself; he insists that tough questions be included.
    If they're asked in a reasonably civil way, he'll answer in the same manner.
    But from where I sit, if someone is determined to be rude to Mozeliak just for
    the sake of being boorish, then Mozeliak has no obligation to accept that.

    When this happened Wednesday, Mozeliak went with the old-fashioned knockdown
    pitch.

    A questioner the intelligently named I Hate Bill DeWitt!! crowded
    Mozeliak's plate with this one:

    "Please describe what it's like living in your little land of make believe
    where you honestly believe that Cardinal fans should be excited about this
    team. If you wouldn't mind, go into details, about how in Mo's world people are
    celebrating three horrible new lefty relievers, and the signing of our awesome
    new .213 hitting shortstop."

    OK, so if you're Mozeliak, how do you handle this?

    He could have been a phony, giving a saccharine answer straight from Eddie
    Haskell on the old "Leave It to Beaver" TV show.

    Instead, Mozeliak reacted by throwing one high and tight.

    Using some acceptable chat room shorthand, he wrote:

    "First, I rather live in my world then yours ... it is sunny out today? No
    you're right, it is 30 something degrees, my girl friend dumped me, and my car
    won't start. First, it is not (that) we stink (unless you ask yourself these
    questions in the mirror). We make decisions based on scouts, stats, and other
    information. If we thought (shortstop Khalil) Greene was going to hit .213 we
    would not, I repeat, not make the deal. Go back to your world, and I hope by
    midsummer you're ready to come out for air."

    I know some of you will disapprove of Mozeliak's tone.

    The GM of the Cardinals should be a gentleman at all times, right?

    Heck, no. I thought his response was hilarious and appropriate. It showed me
    that he was a human being and not some politically correct automaton. Besides,
    why should Mozeliak take gratuitous shots from someone hiding behind a fake
    Internet name?

    As custom, Mozeliak tries to answer to anyone who is hacked off at ownership's
    policies on payroll and trades. You may not like the way Mozeliak does his job,
    and you may not approve of his answers, but he does not hide. He answers
    reporters' calls, he does these chats, he's frequently on radio or TV. He puts
    up with a lot. It's his job.

    That said, we must ask: When Mozeliak makes himself available, what are the
    boundaries? It's easy to express dissent and ask challenging questions without
    being rude. But the Internet because it ensures that protection of anonymity
    emboldens the occasional bonehead to try to embarrass the GM instead of
    asking a pointed, straight-up question.

    This time, when a pretend tough guy got in Mozeliak's face, the GM rightfully
    observed the laws of the Internet jungle: He put the chump in his place.

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    I saw this on Deadspin. There was also this exchange at the end from that same guy:

    I Hate Bill Dewitt!!: Hey Johnny- After this are you going to go into the yahoo teen chat room, and talk about designer clothes, and playing spin the bottle. GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE LOSER!!!! Other G.M's are working on deals, don't you get it!!

    John Mozeliak: Clever, and with that I will sign off big guy.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather be Mozeliak...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Wait, that can't be the Cardinals. I thought the Reds were the one with the hole at short and a GM who didn't make any offseason moves.

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Great response by the GM. That fan is a tool. Greene was a very good pick up for them.

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Oh man, priceless!
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather be Mozeliak...
    I Hate Bill DeWitt probably would, too.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Alright. Which one of you guys is I Hate Bill DeWitt?
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    ~ Mark Twain

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    Alright. Which one of you guys is I Hate Bill DeWitt?
    I'm going out a limb and saying it's not FCB.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Good response, but I don't get the "I know some of you will disapprove of Mozeliak's tone" bit in the article. The comment was clean, and barely insulting at all.
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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Good response, but I don't get the "I know some of you will disapprove of Mozeliak's tone" bit in the article. The comment was clean, and barely insulting at all.
    It wasn't a canned remark. As innocuous as it was Mozeliak does something almost no GM in any sport does (as the writer pointed out). Can you imagine if Jocketty would come on Redszone chat? Just the fact he would do that is a major prop for Mo in reaching out to Cards country. The remark was surprising to some because anyone connected with a team is supposed to be all nice all the time when talking with fans. .

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Good response, but I don't get the "I know some of you will disapprove of Mozeliak's tone" bit in the article. The comment was clean, and barely insulting at all.

    I agree. A little snark, but wholly deserved. I thought it was going to be like Phil Savage's email.

    If I ask a question to a MLB GM or other exec, I might make the question pointed, but I'll keep the tone at least respectful.

    So when are we getting Walt Jocketty on here?

    Pay attention to the open sky

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    When did Raisor become the Card GM?
    Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

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    Re: Cardinals' GM Mozeliak fires back at flippant fan online

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    It wasn't a canned remark. As innocuous as it was Mozeliak does something almost no GM in any sport does (as the writer pointed out). Can you imagine if Jocketty would come on Redszone chat? Just the fact he would do that is a major prop for Mo in reaching out to Cards country. The remark was surprising to some because anyone connected with a team is supposed to be all nice all the time when talking with fans. .
    I agree that it is surprising and refreshing. I just don't think it's all that controversial. I guess I was expecting a profanity-laced tirade. Maybe I'm jaded...
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful


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