"All right, I'm going to level with you all. But what's most important now is that you remain calm. There is no reason to panic."
"All right, I'm going to level with you all. But what's most important now is that you remain calm. There is no reason to panic."
"The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson
Steinbrenner, George, not that bufoon Hank had no problem criticizing GM's, managers even players. And it worked. He's the most successful owner in baseball. God, I'd LOVE it if BCast came out and said...
Honestly, I don't see a LF out there worth their reported asking price. I'm not speaking for other owners, but some kind of realism has to set in that these are hard times. I get that the player needs to fight for what he thinks he, and his agent of course, is worth, but we owe it to our patrons to not ignore this economy. Season Ticket sales are about what they were last year, but season ticket holders are die hards. We love them too. But the casual fan is one we cannot ignore and frankly, if this economy doesn't turn around, we expect a hit there. I won't lie, we are concerned about it.
As for Dunn and Griffey, I think, and Walt would probably back me up on this, we just want to turn the page on that era. Both are great players and we wish them well, but we have other directions we want to take this team.
I'm as stumped as you on the Taveras signing. My grandkids haven't stopped complaining about it. One even has a fire Dusty t-shirt. He won't take the damn thing off.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Have you heard of the old saying....smoke and mirrors? All teams are crying poverty right now with the economy. Essentially what they are doing is driving down free agent prices to rock bottom and players are forced to take a contract. Really, how many teams are knocking down Adam Dunn's door to come play for them? How many teams are out there trying to acquire Junior's services? You don't think Scott Boras milks everything he can to get the best contract for his client? Same with major league teams. They will do everything they can to pay the least amount for a free agent with the exception of the New York Yankees and possibly the New York Mets. The outfield free agent market was set with the Pat Burrell's signing. Do you think Adam Dunn will get that much of a better deal?
Like I said what the Reds say in January is one thing. Come Opening Day and this is the lineup they are running with then I will join everyone else and say this team is set on another year of mediocre baseball.
If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.
Not every team is crying poverty:11 teams are raising payroll this year:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...ting-payrolls/
I think you're right, smoke and mirrors is what we get from Bob Castellini. Yesterday he pleaded poverty due to the economy and said he was done adding players and payroll for the 2009 year. Then today, he says attendance and sponsorship are good. Spin, smoke and mirrors, it's all the same to me. I have learned, only over the last 2 days, to discount what comes out of Castellini's mouth.The nation's financial problems are being felt in baseball.
There are only 11 teams - including the Rockies - projected to open the 2009 season with a bigger payroll than a year ago. There are four teams that figured to be about the same as last year and 15 teams planning to cut salary expenditures.
What's more, the cuts are coming from the teams that have spent the most.
Seven of the teams that were among the top nine payrolls on Opening Day last year are looking at lesser payrolls in 2009 - the No. 1 Yankees, No. 3 Tigers, No. 4 Red Sox, No. 5 White Sox, No. 6 Angels, No. 7 Dodgers and No. 9 Mariners. The Dodgers could fall as much as $30 million from last year's $118.6 million.
Dunn? Maybe he's waiting to see what Manny gets? Maybe we overvalued him? Maybe Ricciardi said aloud what many FO types actually think about Dunn? I think the fact that the Reds don't want Dunn back even at the apparent current discount is very telling of how this current FO really feels about him.
Junior? I can't see Junior playing baseball for the offers he is probably getting. If I were an owner, I'd rather go with young, hungry talent than older, expensive guys who can't be counted on to stay healthy. Some call that collusion, but I think it's just common sense.
There was no collusion when it came to Tex or CC, or even Lowe.
Anyway, Cast said it, both yesterday and today, and this is as good a place as any to come and talk about what's going on with the Reds. Sounds like you don't believe Cast is done, and I hope you're right. I am just commenting on what the man said.
sorry we're boring
Go Gators!
But 2009 revenues aren't the sole determinant of the willingness to offer a player a long term deal.
I think the economic issue is valid, but not because of it's impact on revenue. It's the impact of uncertainty.
Long term economic uncertainty leads to fewer large commitments, leading to more FA on the market longer (as guys hold out for what they thing they deserve), leading a prolonged glut in supply, leading to individual FA having less leverage, further driving down prices and creating a negative feedback loop.
The demand for players is still there, but the supply is larger, particularly among corner OF and SP. Combine that with the economic uncertainty and you don't need any nefarious motives to explain what's going on. Just logic and the standard rules of the market.
Why buy something now when you don't need it for 3 months, the store isn't going to run out of it, and the price might drop between then and now?
The guys who are really in trouble are the ones like Junior, who don't possess a rare skill set and don't represent the possibility of a long term buy low opportunity.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Last edited by corkedbat; 01-23-2009 at 08:36 PM.
I think he's just trying to temper his early fan-as-owner "the losing stops now" enthusiasm with the more realistic "boy this is harder than it looks." There's nothing evil about that.
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