I think we would all like to see them shoot for a C+ and would love a B-.
I would love to see them 6 to 10 games over .500 in late August and playing in some meaningful games in September. If they ended up 6 games over in 3rd place and missed the playoffs, I would be satisfied thinking that maybe they were building a winner.
That would make 2009 a C+ as far as I was concerned.
If they reached a B- and missed the Wild Card on the last weekend of the year, that would also be not only satisfying but a little exciting.
In any case, an 84-78 record would hardly be pessimistic.....
"Is there a problem officers?"
That's why fans are upset -- not because the team stinks, but because the team stinks despite the fact that the means for fixing it are sitting out on the free agent market literally begging to be signed.
Either you have the money to run and field a competitive major league baseball team or you do not. If Bob does not, I submit its time for him to return to selling fruit and let someone who wants to run a baseball team come in and handle things. Or, at the very least, admit that you're running a two-bit organization that will need a combination of luck and trade skill to succeed.
Either way, stop peeing on my leg and telling me its raining.
Last edited by Caveat Emperor; 01-24-2009 at 02:43 AM.
24 Years and Counting...
I caught some heat for a post I made here three or four years ago, where I expressed my opinion on the dumbing down of Reds Fans. I still hold that opinion. Reds Fans tend to believe everything they read from Beat Writers or hear from PBP Announcers. All the blame can't be layed at Martys feet but he's had plenty to do with the dumbing down of Reds Country.
Ownership lost respect for the fanbase long ago. Marge, Carl and now Bob think they can tell us whatever we want to hear and get away with it.
I'm at an advantage over the rest of you.
I was able to read between the lies.
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
That transcript read like something the Ultimate Warrior might write.
Dude might be a bit crazy.
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
Seriously Bob. Just keep your mouth shut. You punted 2009, your team stinks and the fan base doesn't care about your product. You know it and we know it. Let's just keep going through the motions and pretend that all is well.
a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.
I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate
I have another take on this whole subject. What worries me more than anything is that I strongly suspect that Castellini and the FO honestly believe everything he went on the radio and said.
They REALLY do believe Tavares is the CF fix. They REALLY do believe that Hairston's inflated 2008 numbers weren't just the results of a career year and that Hairston won't sink back to his career norms this year. They REALLY do believe that Alex Gonzalez will come back healthy and put up huge numbers this year.
We have an organization who is living in "La-La Land."
Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.
Way overstated.the means for fixing it are sitting out on the free agent market literally begging to be signed.
If Abreu were out there begging for a deal he'd be a Red now.
They talked to Burrell, too.
And Dunn ain't happening.
Lots of teams could use some of the big hitters out there. But the big hitters are still sitting. There's no begging going on -- it's called negotiating.
"Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini
every time Bob opens his mouth I become less impressed.
What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand