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    MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    The show ranked Larkin the 8th best SS of all time. They had comments from John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, and John Kruk talking about how good Larkin was at all aspects of the game. I know I have all 9 right, but my order might be wrong as I find my memory not to be what it once was.

    9- Luke Appling
    8- Barry Larkin
    7- Derek Jeter
    6-Arky Vaughan
    5- Ozzie Smith
    4- Ernie Banks
    3- Cal Ripken Jr.
    2- Alex Rodriguez
    1- Honus Wagner

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Like they mentioned on the show, the SS position might be the only one in MLB where the guy who gets mentioned as the greatest at his position of all time isn't someone relatively "new" to the scene.

    I do believe though, that if Alex Rodriguez has continued to play short, that he would've gone down as the greatest SS of all time. I'm glad they put him over Ripken, though. At times, Ripken was hurting his team by playing through immense pain, all in the name of the "streak"

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    That would seem to make him a HOF'er if he's top 10 all-time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roush's socks View Post
    That would seem to make him a HOF'er if he's top 10 all-time.
    Sounds good to me.
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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Vizquel makes the list if Ozzie does.

    That list loses all credibility otherwise.
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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBruce32 View Post
    Vizquel makes the list if Ozzie does.

    That list loses all credibility otherwise.
    The show does operate under the premise that baseball is a great game to discuss and debate over who is the best, best teams, etc. The show doesn't go in with the bias attitude that "our list is THE list that must be followed." I'd put Vizquel in the top 10, not the top 9 myself.

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    I always think its funny that Larkin won the MVP in 1995 with this line:

    .886 OPS 133 OPS+ (very solid line no doubt)

    However the year after he does this:

    .977 OPS 154 OPS+

    and finishes 12th. Hilarious. Larkins 1996 season is one of the greatest seasons ever by a SS and he finishes 12th in the MVP voting.
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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Your order matches the show's order.

    I agree there are some notable missing names. What about Davey? A little more offense and just as good a defense as the wizard. But darn it he didn't do the back flips.

    If we're doing a top ten Davey's got to be there

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    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    What about Davey? ...just as good a defense as the wizard. But darn it he didn't do the back flips.
    Really? Just as good as Ozzie?

    No.

    Davey was darn good, no question. But Ozzie was in another category all his own when it came to defense.
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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    I always think its funny that Larkin won the MVP in 1995 with this line:

    .886 OPS 133 OPS+ (very solid line no doubt)

    However the year after he does this:

    .977 OPS 154 OPS+

    and finishes 12th. Hilarious. Larkins 1996 season is one of the greatest seasons ever by a SS and he finishes 12th in the MVP voting.
    The stat line that deserved the 1995 NL MVP was....

    Greg Maddux 19-2 209.7 IP 1.63 ERA 0.81 WHIP 147 H 23 BB 181 K

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    That list is completely based on their offensive production. Many of those guys were average or worse fielders. I think the list is a disgrace to players like Concepcion who completely redefined the position, followed by Ozzie and others. A-Rod was not a great fielding SS.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    A rod was a better fielder than Jeter and everybody knew it but they didn't want to move Jeter because of his popularity. Derek Jeter would never make this list if he played for Cincy or anybody else besides the Yankees.

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Quote Originally Posted by dougflynn23 View Post
    The stat line that deserved the 1995 NL MVP was....

    Greg Maddux 19-2 209.7 IP 1.63 ERA 0.81 WHIP 147 H 23 BB 181 K
    yep

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    Re: MLB Network's Prime 9 Top 9 Shortstops...

    Quote Originally Posted by dougflynn23 View Post
    The stat line that deserved the 1995 NL MVP was....

    Greg Maddux 19-2 209.7 IP 1.63 ERA 0.81 WHIP 147 H 23 BB 181 K
    Maybe if he had a .80 whip and a 1.62 ERA otherwise there is no way I could give a pitcher the MVP. I mean he had 23 BB for pete's sake
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    Maddux was equal opportunity, he didnt want to get his defense bored so he only struck out 181, maybe if he'd been a bit more greedy with K's he might have won it.
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