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    Octuplets

    I can't even begin to fathom this.

    Fox News or CNN.com

    The logistics are mind-numbing. What kind of car do you get that can accommodate 8 car seats? Is there a stroller that can carry 8 kids? Do you get doctors and nurses to make a house call when it's time for a round of vaccinations? You could probably keep someone employed 12 hours a day doing nothing but taking out the trash, washing bottles, and running laundry. Imagine the grocery bill when the 6 boys all hit about age 15 or 16.

    8. Yowza.

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    Re: Octuplets

    Quote Originally Posted by 15fan View Post
    The logistics are mind-numbing.
    My wife and 2 daughters watch this show all the time. Sextuplets and twins.

    Jon and Kate Plus 8

    The one show I saw was a whole show about the family getting ready to catch a flight. It took them all day. It was painfully OMG hilarious in a way I think only parents can truly appreciate.

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    Re: Octuplets

    That's a litter, right there.
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    Re: Octuplets

    This is a little off topic, but my other has 10 siblings, including two pairs of twins. One pair of twins was born in November, and then exactly 15 years later on the same day, another pair was born, so now I have four aunts/uncles with the same birthday. On top of that, my mother and two of her other siblings are born in November, as well, so of the 11 kids, seven were born in November. February must have been a really cold month back in the '50s/'60s.

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    Re: Octuplets

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    This is a little off topic, but my other has 10 siblings, including two pairs of twins. One pair of twins was born in November, and then exactly 15 years later on the same day, another pair was born, so now I have four aunts/uncles with the same birthday. On top of that, my mother and two of her other siblings are born in November, as well, so of the 11 kids, seven were born in November. February must have been a really cold month back in the '50s/'60s.
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    Re: Octuplets

    Yay for fertility drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephenk29 View Post
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    Re: Octuplets

    this woman already has 6 kids.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: Octuplets

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    this woman already has 6 kids.
    Yep, so she will actually need a vehicle to haul 16 people if she brings along a significant other. I would suggest one of these...


    Seriously, though, how is a woman with six kids so desperate for another that she would take fertility drugs? Had getting pregnant been difficult for her in the past?

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    According to radio reports here in SoCal this woman is a registered nurse. She already had six kids but chose to use fertility drugs to increase the odds of delivering multiple babies. She supposely was told that she should expect 7 children (the 8th was a 'surprise') and offered the option of selectively aborting some of the fetuses. She declined.

    She is 33 y.o. and lives with her Mom and Dad (guessing no 'husband' involved in this) and that the family declared bankruptcy about a year-and-a-half ago.

    Besides the fact that's she's the human equivalent of a 'puppy mill', what bothers me is that she will probably be collecting welfare and MediCal (which I pay for) for at least the next 20 years.


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    Re: Octuplets

    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    this woman already has 6 kids.
    Is also divorced and lives with her parents.

    Not only is she not right in the head (IMO), as her own mother says she is obsessed with children; but it raises ethical questions at the medical facility that provided the fertility drugs.

    Also...

    Octuplets' Family Filed For Bankruptcy

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4764432.shtml

    (CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

    Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.

    There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.

    The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.

    Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.

    And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

    The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.

    But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.

    Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."

    On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."

    Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

    Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

    "The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."

    Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

    The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

    Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

    On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."

    Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

    "And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.

    "And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."

    "Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '

    "Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."
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    Re: Octuplets

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    My wife and 2 daughters watch this show all the time. Sextuplets and twins.

    Jon and Kate Plus 8

    The one show I saw was a whole show about the family getting ready to catch a flight. It took them all day. It was painfully OMG hilarious in a way I think only parents can truly appreciate.
    My wife and one of my sons watch it, too.

    I've caught bits and pieces of it, but I can't stand it for long, since rarely does it take more than a minute or two before I have a facepalm moment.

    At least Jon and Kate have a healthy income. They get $50K per episode. They're doing so well from the show that Jon was able to quit his job. I fear that this woman aspires to reel in a similar deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted View Post
    I fear that this woman aspires to reel in a similar deal.
    Agreed, it wouldn't surprise me if the only reason she did this was to try and make a name for herself.

    It's sick.
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    From yahoo! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/...e_us/octuplets

    The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

    Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

    "It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."......

    Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

    "From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

    "She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

    Garcia said she did not ask for details.

    Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

    Rem's comment: She shouldn't be studying counseling, she should be receiving it! Psychiatric counseling that is!

    She got paid for it? It's unclear from the quote if she meant she got paid for going to school or for having the kids but, either way, how the heck does that work!?!

    Even besides the ethical questions here, in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay for this.

    It drives me nuts.

    Rem
    Last edited by remdog; 01-31-2009 at 04:21 PM.


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