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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I think the team will be a lot less "bad" than is being predicted right now by 98% of this side of the board. They'll not be great and probably not good, but they'll be okay, with the outside chance of being good.

    I think they'll be better than last year's team. It all boils down to what Cueto's able to do.
    I agree. I've seen some people predicting 65-70 wins. I think this is more of a 80ish win team as constructed right now. If Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto breakout and have big seasons then that number improves by 4-5 wins. Add a Bobby Abreu type of bat for LF and it improves by another couple wins, IMO. But it could've been even better with a Dickerson/RH bat platoon in CF, a big bat in LF, and a defensive upgrade at SS.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I agree. I've seen some people predicting 65-70 wins. I think this is more of a 80ish win team as constructed right now. If Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto breakout and have big seasons then that number improves by 4-5 wins. Add a Bobby Abreu type of bat for LF and it improves by another couple wins, IMO. But it could've been even better with a Dickerson/RH bat platoon in CF, a big bat in LF, and a defensive upgrade at SS.
    Right now I'm thinking more like 75ish with an outside shot at .500. But that's expecting no major breakouts of any kind, but some marginal improvement in Cueto and Bruce and a bounceback from Harang.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I agree. I've seen some people predicting 65-70 wins. I think this is more of a 80ish win team as constructed right now. If Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto breakout and have big seasons then that number improves by 4-5 wins. Add a Bobby Abreu type of bat for LF and it improves by another couple wins, IMO. But it could've been even better with a Dickerson/RH bat platoon in CF, a big bat in LF, and a defensive upgrade at SS.
    That's why I'm so peeved about the moves so far.

    So close. They were so close to being a potential 85 win team. You mention Abreu and I think about what could have been.

    I'm actually not as concerned about the defense as I am the offense. With the right offensive additions, it wouldn't matter as much as it does now.

    "Not as Bad as Last Year" isn't gonna get it done with the current offensive configuration.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Not as bad as last year still means they are likely finishing 15+ back in the division and nowhere near sniffing the WC. There are no prizes for getting to .500 unfortunately. A different, slightly better version of bad doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Here's to 2010!

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I think the team will be a lot less "bad" than is being predicted right now by 98% of this side of the board. They'll not be great and probably not good, but they'll be okay, with the outside chance of being good.

    I think they'll be better than last year's team. It all boils down to what Cueto's able to do.
    We're probably looking at a .500 team this season and given life is a bell curve, there's a chance to be on the happy tail.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    We're probably looking at a .500 team this season and given life is a bell curve, there's a chance to be on the happy tail.
    I have a feeling that Castellini will be popping the champagne cork when this team reaches .500. He has consistently said that finishing over .500 equals a "winner."

    Most other owners would not be happy with that record; Cast should not be, either. It should be properly seen as the first step.

    The best thing he could do when this team finally reaches .500 is to call it a failure and tell the media that he is not happy that the Reds have not reached their goal of winning a World Series. That's when he should next talk to the media, and not before then. The more he talks, the worse he makes it for himself.

    As Mark Twain said: It's better to keep quiet and have people think you stupid, than to talk and confirm it.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    The Red's Caravan was up in Lima (Ohio) the other day. Jocketty was aboard. The article appeared the next day in the Lima news (Reds Changing The Way They Play The Game), and one of the locals asked Walt about his inability so far to acquire a RH'd power-hitting LFer in the off-season, and if they were still looking?

    Walt's response? While it was true we had Hr (power) hitters on the team last year, such as in Dunn and Griffey, we didn't hit them in key (clutch) situations, so basically, what good did it do us? And while Walt stated we will probably get 20+ Hr seasons from guys like Votto, EE, Hernandez, Bruce, and maybe AGon, Walt emphasized "run producers" (situational hitting) over Hr hitters.

    So after one read through all his response, the answer is..... "No. We are done for the off-season."
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I think they'll be better than last year's team. It all boils down to what Cueto's able to do.
    Agreed.

    Cueto and Owings (or Ramirez or whoever wins the 5th starter spot) will go a long way to determining how watchable the 2009 Reds season will be.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Agreed.

    Cueto and Owings (or Ramirez or whoever wins the 5th starter spot) will go a long way to determining how watchable the 2009 Reds season will be.
    I agree, as well. This certainly isn't a playoff contender, at least as currently constructed, but I don't believe they'll be as bad as many here think (JMO).

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    The Red's Caravan was up in Lima (Ohio) the other day. Jocketty was aboard. The article appeared the next day in the Lima news (Reds Changing The Way They Play The Game), and one of the locals asked Walt about his inability so far to acquire a RH'd power-hitting LFer in the off-season, and if they were still looking?

    Walt's response? While it was true we had Hr (power) hitters on the team last year, such as in Dunn and Griffey, we didn't hit them in key (clutch) situations, so basically, what good did it do us? And while Walt stated we will probably get 20+ Hr seasons from guys like Votto, EE, Hernandez, Bruce, and maybe AGon, Walt emphasized "run producers" (situational hitting) over Hr hitters.

    So after one read through all his response, the answer is..... "No. We are done for the off-season."
    Ah, a callback to DanO and his "Win-Efficient Scoring." Great.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    The Red's Caravan was up in Lima (Ohio) the other day. Jocketty was aboard. The article appeared the next day in the Lima news (Reds Changing The Way They Play The Game), and one of the locals asked Walt about his inability so far to acquire a RH'd power-hitting LFer in the off-season, and if they were still looking?

    Walt's response? While it was true we had Hr (power) hitters on the team last year, such as in Dunn and Griffey, we didn't hit them in key (clutch) situations, so basically, what good did it do us? And while Walt stated we will probably get 20+ Hr seasons from guys like Votto, EE, Hernandez, Bruce, and maybe AGon, Walt emphasized "run producers" (situational hitting) over Hr hitters.

    So after one read through all his response, the answer is..... "No. We are done for the off-season."
    That's an absurd response from a General Manager.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

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    That's an absurd response from a General Manager.
    It's scary to think that a GM of a MLB team would dream of trying to make that sort of horrible statement.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    It's scary to think that a GM of a MLB team would dream of trying to make that sort of horrible statement.
    Well, he's on a caravan trying to drum up support for the Reds. So I can understand why Jocketty is saying what he's saying. Doesn't make me feel any less dirty for hearing the shill speak. Right now, both he and Castellini are doing their best P.T. Barnum impersonations.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    Reds need a 170 run improvement over 2008. Seems to me they basically have to max out offense, defense and pitching
    We better hope that our defense and pitching is the best in baseball, b/c that's the only way we'll put a dent in that 170 runs, b/c we certainly won't put a dent in the difference with our offense (or lack thereof).

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    LF and especially RF will be HUGE improvements defensively when comparing the '09 Reds to the '08 Reds. Then if Gonzo can stay somewhat healthy and eventually knock off the rust at SS, I think we could be looking at a significant overall improvement. The Big Red Elephant in the room is whether Encarnacion will be an error machine again, or if he can show steady improvement on the routine plays (while continuing to make the occasional spectacular play as usual). That's a lot to fall into place, but just judging by the fact the Reds won't have a statue playing most of the games in RF this year, I think we're going to see a much-better defense. And then Dickerson/Gomes/Hairston will be a big improvement over Dunn in LF. Not as big as Bruce over Griffey in right, but still substantial.
    Dickerson better than Dunn defensively in LF is a no-brainer.

    Gomes or Hairston? I'm not that convinced. Heck, Gomes might be worse defensively, and Hairston's a statue at any position on the field...


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