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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    We're playing in a bandbox, guys. Teams will get the cheap home run and it looks like that might be the opposition this year. I cannot figure out a lot of things going on, but I do know that to win you must hit and field. He used to be able to hit, but field? Not so much. Did we improve defense? We're somewhat better in right field (surely, Jay won't have the mental lapses like he did at times last year), shortstop (if Gonzo comes back at even 90%), and that's about it. Right field is a question mark and third base is a disaster (sorry all you EdE fans, but unless he does a complete 180, he simply is horrible if not worse than that). We didn't replace the bats of Dunn and Griffey (yet) and have become, or at least it seems, a smallball team? Give me a break.

    I'm very optimistic this time of year, but this article tends to bring me down. We have the pitching apparently, but we still can't field and our hitting has regressed. Is that improvement?
    That's the way I'm reading the situation, too.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    This FO appears to be "maximizing the defense" in the same way WK did when he brought Juan Castro back.

    Honestly, it's like they wouldn't know good defense if it walked up and bit them.
    Yet Jocketty consistently constructed some of the best defenses in baseball from 2000-2006. It must have been all luck.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yet Jocketty consistently constructed some of the best defenses in baseball from 2000-2006. It must have been all luck.
    I'm not quite sure Walt gets to call the shots he wants to call in Cincinnati.

    From the outside, it looks like it might be a "too many cooks (or kooks)" situation.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yet Jocketty consistently constructed some of the best defenses in baseball from 2000-2006. It must have been all luck.
    If I recall, he didn't do it with the likes of Willy Taveras, Alex Gonzalez, and Ramon Hernandez.

    He had better scouts and advisors in StL. That's why I was jabbing at the Front Office as a whole rather than singling out Jocketty.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    So, given the state of the 40 man roster as it stands right now, how would you create the optimal defensive/offensive team and starting 9?

    I'd go with this lineup:

    Dickerson CF
    EE 3B
    Votto 1B
    Bruce RF
    Gomes LF Needs a platoon partner badly
    Phillips 2B
    Hernandez/Hanigan C
    Janish SS
    P

    Bench:

    Kepp
    Hairston
    AGon
    Taveras
    Richar

    That leaves 11 pitchers.

    I'd hide Janish' weak bat in the 8 hole and have him stabilize the IF defense.
    Last edited by TRF; 01-28-2009 at 11:02 AM.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yet Jocketty consistently constructed some of the best defenses in baseball from 2000-2006. It must have been all luck.
    Serious question. Do you really believe that the Reds will be "good" in any phase of the game in 2009? Pitching, hitting, or defense? I can't believe that the hitting or defense will be tolerable, much less, "good". The pitching has a chance.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    LF Chris Dickerson (good OBP guy)
    1B Joey Votto (better OBP guy, more at-bats, tends to be walked when runners are in scoring position)
    3B Edwin Encarnacion (good OBP, good SLG)
    RF Jay Bruce (lacking OBP but drives in runners)
    2B Brandon Phillips (lacking OBP but has decent power and speed)
    C Ramon Hernandez (makes a lot of contact; can get the runners over)
    SS Alex Gonzalez (anemic OBP; good power)
    CF Willy Taveras (singles hitter; can steal second and be bunted to third by the pitcher)

    Ryan Hanigan (obviously)
    Jeff Keppinger (good contact skills; versatile)
    Danny Richar (often over-looked but left-handed, skilled, and versatile)
    Jonny Gomes (right-handed power bat, destroys left-handers)
    Norris Hopper (can play all three outfield spots, makes good contact)

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Too bad Eradi's not the GM. He's a smart cookie.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    So, given the state of the 40 man roster as it stands right now, how would you create the optimal defensive/offensive team and starting 9?

    I'd go with this lineup:

    Dickerson CF
    EE 3B
    Votto 1B
    Bruce RF
    Gomes LF Needs a platoon partner badly
    Phillips 2B
    Hernandez/Hanigan C
    Janish SS
    P

    Bench:

    Kepp
    Hairston
    AGon
    Taveras
    Richar

    That leaves 11 pitchers.

    I'd hide Janish' weak bat in the 8 hole and have him stabilize the IF defense.
    That's not too bad although Gomes is a butcher in the OF from what I've read. At least you're only weak at two spots with that group though, 3B and LF.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    LF Chris Dickerson (good OBP guy)
    1B Joey Votto (better OBP guy, more at-bats, tends to be walked when runners are in scoring position)
    3B Edwin Encarnacion (good OBP, good SLG)
    RF Jay Bruce (lacking OBP but drives in runners)
    2B Brandon Phillips (lacking OBP but has decent power and speed)
    C Ramon Hernandez (makes a lot of contact; can get the runners over)
    SS Alex Gonzalez (anemic OBP; good power)
    CF Willy Taveras (singles hitter; can steal second and be bunted to third by the pitcher)

    Ryan Hanigan (obviously)
    Jeff Keppinger (good contact skills; versatile)
    Danny Richar (often over-looked but left-handed, skilled, and versatile)
    Jonny Gomes (right-handed power bat, destroys left-handers)
    Norris Hopper (can play all three outfield spots, makes good contact)
    Jerry Hairston, Jr. doesn't make your team?
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    That's not too bad although Gomes is a butcher in the OF from what I've read. At least you're only weak at two spots with that group though, 3B and LF.
    3B is likely batter with the addition of Janish as SS. dunno how much better, but 2007 was EE's best year defensively and only time he had a decent SS to his left.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    Jerry Hairston, Jr. doesn't make your team?
    I always forget him for some reason. He'll probably be injured more than half the year anyway.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Sabermetricians, do you think it would be fair to say that going from one of the five-worst defenses to one of the five-best defenses would result in your pitchers allowing 30-50 runs over the course of a regular season?
    Ya (ya it's reasonable to assume the staff could give up 50 fewer runs), unless luck really isn't a lady.
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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Serious question. Do you really believe that the Reds will be "good" in any phase of the game in 2009? Pitching, hitting, or defense? I can't believe that the hitting or defense will be tolerable, much less, "good". The pitching has a chance.
    I think the team will be a lot less "bad" than is being predicted right now by 98% of this side of the board. They'll not be great and probably not good, but they'll be okay, with the outside chance of being good.

    I think they'll be better than last year's team. It all boils down to what Cueto's able to do.

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    Re: Erardi- "Speed and defense": Is the defense as good as we're being told?

    I agree, FCB. The Reds should be better than last year just by having less dead weight. We probably won't have a ~8.00 ERA coming from our fifth starter slot, no one should be Bako or Patterson bad, and the defense is improved, if only slightly. On top of that, the young core will hopefully develop more.


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