I agree that Weathers is a little underrated. He's not flashy but he just continues to put up pretty good seasons. If we're not in the playoff hunt let him go to someone that will be. I just wouldn't ask for that much for him.
I agree that Weathers is a little underrated. He's not flashy but he just continues to put up pretty good seasons. If we're not in the playoff hunt let him go to someone that will be. I just wouldn't ask for that much for him.
Here's really why I'm such a Weathers agnostic (BTW, I think Weathers is actually a nice guy and likely a good influence in the club):
His peripherals are below average for the pen. Well, they're below average for a major league pitcher, period.
His "luck metrics" (or randomness metrics if one prefers; LOB%, HR/FB, BABIP) are screaming in that they have all been significantly better than his career norms but not in a consistent pattern belying an underlying skill that might be "controlling" them.
Finally, turning off the computer and using the eyes also reveals a guy that is less than inspiring.
He's the perfect storm.... and I'm very hesitant to believe that he's weathered it by possessing a skill that is subtle enough to escape the numbers and the eyes when there is an explanation (randomness).
Like I said, it's great that he's given the Reds innings. It's not so great that the Reds couldn't figure out another way.
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All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
A yearly raise used to be an American institution, as is performing ones job consistently in a less than flashy way.
Warren Spahn describes it better:
"A pitcher needs two pitches, one they're looking for and one to cross them up."
"Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing."
And then
“Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago.”
Bernard Berenson
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
All pitchers will implode at some point...however, he has given Cincy 4.5 years of sub-4.00 ERA relief pitching while predictions of his implosion have all fallen to the wayside.
We can start the "Lincecum will implode" discussion now and, at some point, we will have predicted it accurately.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
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