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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Raisor would be a great manager because if Marty tried to pull his HOF stuff on him, Raisor could trump him with his 23 Nobel Prizes. Here's a preview of Raisor and his coaches.
    Can you imagine the first time Raisor brought up on base percentage during one of those pre-game radio interviews???
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Can you imagine the first time Raisor brought up on base percentage during one of those pre-game radio interviews???

    There would be bits of poofy hair all over the place when the Marty's head exploded.
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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Can you imagine the first time Raisor brought up on base percentage during one of those pre-game radio interviews???
    or Runs Created after explaining it's not RBI and R put together.
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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    I did not see this article already posted, so if it was I apologize.

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    Reds' Phillips anxious to bat cleanup

    By Hal McCoy

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    Thursday, February 19, 2009

    SARASOTA, Fla. — His face always is complemented by a broad smile, but Brandon Phillips seems to be smiling broader and more often this spring — if that's possible.

    Is a happy clean-up hitter a productive clean-up hitter? Or is that vice versa — a productive clean-up hitter is a happy clean-up hitter.

    There hasn't been a pitch thrown in anger yet this spring, so that remains to be seen, but manager Dusty Baker believes Phillips is destined for an eye-popping season.

    And, yes, Baker says Phillips is the team's No. 4 hitter.

    "The way the lineup looks now, yeah, he'll be our cleanup hitter," said Baker. "He'll be better. Brandon is going to have a good year."

    Phillips, 27, hit .261 with 21 homers, 78 RBIs and 23 stolen bases last season, scaled down numbers from 2007 when he hit .288 with 30 homers, 94 RBIs and 32 stolen bases.

    "I'm big on realizing that a lot of players struggled in their third and fourth year," said Baker. "Now Brandon will adjust to what they were doing to him. Sometimes they wouldn't throw him a lot of strikes.

    "Sometimes when you are in the middle of it, you can't see it," Baker added. "But when you are smart, like Brandon, and take some time away from it, then you step back and see things."

    Phillips batted cleanup 114 times last season and is ready to do it again.

    Phillips was unpacking specially designed red and black patent leather baseball shoes — special shoes for special feet.

    "I love hitting fourth, even though I'm not the prototypical No. 4 hitter," he said. "I do have some power, but I'm not that guy you think of as a home run hitter.

    "I'm going to do my best and I do think I've been doing good in that four-hole," he added. "If you look at our team, I'm probably the only player qualified to hit there, if you pay attention to it. We have a lot of lefthanders and we have to break 'em up."

    He looked around the clubhouse and spotted Edwin Encarnacion and said, "and maybe him. It had to be me or Edwin and you have to take your pick. Dusty picked me and I feel like I'm ready to give us some more RBIs and some wins."

    Phillips has the answer: If he is productive, he'll be happy.

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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring~Fields View Post
    I did not see this article already posted, so if it was I apologize.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/con...09redsweb.html

    Reds' Phillips anxious to bat cleanup

    By Hal McCoy

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    Thursday, February 19, 2009

    SARASOTA, Fla. — His face always is complemented by a broad smile, but Brandon Phillips seems to be smiling broader and more often this spring — if that's possible.

    Is a happy clean-up hitter a productive clean-up hitter?
    Phillips has the answer: If he is productive, he'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I think it's possible that Dusty doesn't want to put any more pressure than is necessary on EE and batting cleanup is a pressure situation.
    I agree. EE seems to have a volatile personality. He seems quite withdrawn and appears to not like attention. And when he gets attention that is not favorable (criticism), he lets it bother (affect) him adversely.

    From what I've heard, no one wants Brandon to hit cleanup. Dusty may be putting the best face on it which he's good at. But if they are going to hit Votto 3rd and Bruce 5th to break up the lefties, they have to put a right handed hitter in there. If it isn't going to be EE, there really aren't any other options besides Brandon. Sure, they don't have to break up the lefties but, again, cleanup is a pressure position and that may be too much pressure for a guy who hasn't played a full season yet.
    And Dusty appears to want a guy in the role who is aggressive, will swing the bat, and make things happen. He's giving it to the right guy as far as the first two parts go.

    It ain't gonna matter though. What is he gonna "clean up" when your #1 and #2 guys won't be getting on base consistently and will have below league average OB% IMO.

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    I honestly believe this is a disaster waiting to happen. Bphil will put over due pressure to hit homreruns and yikes he is a free swinger already.
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    "If you look at our team, I'm probably the only player qualified to hit there"

    That's Brandon Phillips, in a nutshell, folks.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    "If you look at our team, I'm probably the only player qualified to hit there"

    That's Brandon Phillips, in a nutshell, folks.
    I'd love to hear what makes Brandon and his .754 OPS last season and career .733 OPS qualified to hit clean up. Phillips is a 6 hitter in my mind, in front of only Hernandez and Gonzalez (and the pitcher).

    If you have to put a right handed in the 4 hole (which you don't because Votto is OPSing .833 vs. lefties in his career), I'd put the guy two years younger in there who had a .807 OPS last year and .801 for his career.

    I'd love for some to present me something, anything, that makes Phillips more qualified than EE to hit 4th.

    "I'm big on realizing that a lot of players struggled in their third and fourth year," said Baker. "Now Brandon will adjust to what they were doing to him. Sometimes they wouldn't throw him a lot of strikes.
    How does this quote not apply to EE who is now entering his 4th full season in the bigs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I'd love to hear what makes Brandon and his .754 OPS last season and career .733 OPS qualified to hit clean up. Phillips is a 6 hitter in my mind, in front of only Hernandez and Gonzalez (and the pitcher).

    If you have to put a right handed in the 4 hole (which you don't because Votto is OPSing .833 vs. lefties in his career), I'd put the guy two years younger in there who had a .807 OPS last year and .801 for his career.

    I'd love for some to present me something, anything, that makes Phillips more qualified than EE to hit 4th.


    How does this quote not apply to EE who is now entering his 4th full season in the bigs?
    I would like to see if EE could bat third, to see if that would push his growth, development and confidence, while having a Votto hit behind him, along with two guys hitting in front of him that can get on base a higher percentage of the time.

    I would love to see what EE could do with hitters in front of him and behind him.

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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    "If you look at our team, I'm probably the only player qualified to hit there"

    That's Brandon Phillips, in a nutshell, folks.
    I guess Votto, Bruce or EE aren't qualified in BP's eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I don't think it's a big stretch to think he can out OPS EE and probably Bruce as well. Yeah it's not perfect but little is with this team because Dusty is running it.
    That is a big stretch, IMO, as Phillips has to find 40 points or so to even get to EdE's level. Slugging is about the same (and expected to be the same in 2009, for the most part). But the OBP is way different. Add to that EdE coming into his power years and he could rightfully lay claim to an 850-875 OPS in 09.

    Bruce, OTOH, has shown throughout his minor league career an affinity for both the long ball and the double. His career minor league slugging is .555. (Phillips? .418.) His OBP, too, has proven higher, by 30 points than Phillips. Plus, second-year players with his pedigree (and talent) either blow up or blow apart. My guess is he blows up.

    Not only that, Phillips makes sense as a sixth hitter. He has pop, which should be necessary in a lineup that will need it throughout (as only Bruce profiles as a game-changer in terms of power). That plus power would be an exceptional weapon down in the lineup, after thumpers Votto, EdE, and Bruce.

    His speed, too, would be a better weapon lower in the order. His stolen bases allow more opportunities for Hernandez and Gonzalez, two more low obp, high slugging guys to take adventage before the pitcher.

    The only argument I can see is that Phillips may somehow keep all those low obp guys from being bunched together. (In a row, Phillips, Hernandez, AGon, pitcher's spot, and Taveras.) That many in a row would be an awful lot of outs a pitcher can speed through.

    But Dusty's not that progressive, nor that smart.
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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    "If you look at our team, I'm probably the only player qualified to hit there"

    That's Brandon Phillips, in a nutshell, folks.
    You left out this part:

    He looked around the clubhouse and spotted Edwin Encarnacion and said, "and maybe him. It had to be me or Edwin and you have to take your pick. Dusty picked me and I feel like I'm ready to give us some more RBIs and some wins."
    He didn't mention Bruce or Votto because they are lefties and it's expected those two will hit third and fifth. IMO he wasn't trying to take any shots at his teammates.

    fwiw, I would bat Bruce or EdE cleanup.
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    Re: Baker: Phillips will hit clean up

    Since the new leadoff hitter is a righty, why do the lefties still have to hit 3rd and 5th? Couldn't they just as easily hit 2nd and 4th?
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