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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    Baseball America's issue with the top 100 prospect in baseball is out. Yonder Alonso is 35th; Todd Frazier is 60th. Juan Francisco, Chris Valaika and Drew Stubbs also received votes.

    The Reds had five players on the list last year: Jay Bruce (1), Homer Bailey (9), Johnny Cueto (34), Joey Votto (44) and Stubbs (100). All but Stubbs weren't eligible this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    He had one heck of a short run in AA which led me to believe that he may have turned the corner.
    Dismissing one short run and favoring another which preceded it strikes me as pie-in-the-sky selectivity. I'm not favoring anything. I'm looking at his entire body of work in 2008.

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    That said the overall line you mentioned would you accept that out of Taveras this season?
    Interesting you mention Taveras. He had a .335/.402/.386 season at age 22 in AA. If he delivered that in the majors, he'd be a handsomely paid man. Instead his major league statline reads .283/.331/.337. What he did well in the minors, and he did it better than Stubbs and at a younger age, did not translate to major league production. His BB dried up because no one fears the result of throwing him a strike.

    Stubbs has better BB skills than Taveras ever did, but Taveras is a better hitter for average than Stubbs. It works out to a wash.

    So, yes, I think it would be marvy if Taveras could deliver something in line with his and Stubbs' minor league norms. Would you be happy if Stubbs has Taveras' major league future?

    My take is good for Stubbs if he can have a major league career, but no team is doing cartwheels over a Taveras-level player.

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I don't like how he was downgraded because he looks less and less like Mike Cammeron.
    Because approximating Cameron's game was Stubbs' best ticket to success. I suspect many scouts remain unconvinced Stubbs has an exciting future as a 6'5" slap hitter.
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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Because approximating Cameron's game was Stubbs' best ticket to success. I suspect many scouts remain unconvinced Stubbs has an exciting future as a 6'5" slap hitter.
    To be fair, he did have 46 extra base hits last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBP View Post
    To be fair, he did have 46 extra base hits last year.
    Chris Heisey had 54. No one considers him a slugger.

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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    With Stubbs' great defense in center field, I'd be happy if he could develop into a .750 OPS hitter (.350 OBP, .400 SLG).
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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Chris Heisey had 54. No one considers him a slugger.
    Last season, Adam Dunn averaged an extra base hit every 10.33 PA, and Chris Heisey averaged one every 11.06 PA. That's the difference of four extra base hits over 600 PA, and Dunn is considered one of the premier sluggers in baseball, so I don't think calculating XBH is the best way to label someone a slugger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Last season, Adam Dunn averaged an extra base hit every 10.33 PA, and Chris Heisey averaged one every 11.06 PA. That's the difference of four extra base hits over 600 PA, and Dunn is considered one of the premier sluggers in baseball, so I don't think calculating XBH is the best way to label someone a slugger.
    I agree.

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    This year is a big one for Stubbs. He made his swing adjustments last year in order to make better contact. He didn't hit many HR's, but when he did hit them, they generally went a long way. He just needs to be more consistent with his power stroke. If he can find it, the Mike Cameron comp for his ceiling can be there still. If he can't, then the comp needs to be reworked some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    With Stubbs' great defense in center field, I'd be happy if he could develop into a .750 OPS hitter (.350 OBP, .400 SLG).
    No doubt. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    I certainly didn't label him a slugger just by mentioning his xbh totals, but he's not a slap hitter either.
    Last edited by HBP; 02-27-2009 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBP View Post
    I certainly didn't label him a slugger just by mentioning his xbh totals, but he's not a slap hitter either.
    My official definition of a slap hitter is your SLG is below .400. Stubbs managed .404 at all stops last season, so, in fairness, he's not quite a slap hitter.
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    Re: BA's Top 100 Prospects

    Last season, Adam Dunn averaged an extra base hit every 10.33 PA, and Chris Heisey averaged one every 11.06 PA. That's the difference of four extra base hits over 600 PA, and Dunn is considered one of the premier sluggers in baseball, so I don't think calculating XBH is the best way to label someone a slugger.
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