Duran and Yorman are both starting in the GCL according to the Reds.Originally Posted by bellhead
Duran and Yorman are both starting in the GCL according to the Reds.
You don't say?
Glad to see them there they are going to be pushed by players a little older than them but less physically gifted so it should even out. Hope they excel there and make life tough for the Reds to not move them to Billings this year. Hopefully a good year and they are in Dayton next year.
You don't say?
In my defense, Stubbs is much older. but yeah, i beat that horse a little too often.
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I disagree.
I was always the fastest guy on my team (straight line speed) when I played ball, but I was never much more than an average baserunner because I am a long-strider and can't make as tight a turn rounding the bases as guys who take shorter strides. I was great running from home plate to first on a grounder or first to second while stealing a base, but was always middle of the pack in term of going from first to third, second to home, etc.
Fair point. Were you coached to take your turns over a greater distance -- i.e., start wider, sooner? Technique should be able to compensate somewhat for stride length.I was always the fastest guy on my team (straight line speed) when I played ball, but I was never much more than an average baserunner because I am a long-strider and can't make as tight a turn rounding the bases as guys who take shorter strides. I was great running from home plate to first on a grounder or first to second while stealing a base, but was always middle of the pack in term of going from first to third, second to home, etc.
Good point lollipop. We have a fast long strided runner on our team and I don't see a noticeable difference running home to 2nd. Technique may be more important for him but every player should make the banana turn every time if there will be no play at 1B. I can understand having to take somewhat of a shorter stride when you tag 1B but not otherwise.
The point that was trying to be made was Yorman is very fast. That gives him an advantage. Back in 1975 and 1976 Ken Griffey stole 30 bags to Morgan's 60 even though Griffey was much faster than Morgan. Morgan was able to double Sr. output because he knew the pitchers and had great technique. In spite of Griffey's poor technique and knowledge he finished with more SB than Rose or other Reds because of his raw speed. It was a huge advantage for him. It will be a huge advantage for Yorman also. Even though he couldn't bunt like Taveras and Hopper, Sr. had 30+ infield hits in his early years. His speed put him on base 20+ times a year when others would have been walking back to the dugout. I never saw any stats on it but I bet his speed created more hurried throws that went for errors. His speed forced infielders to make gambles which lead to more fielding errors.
The point is speed creates base runners. Speed advances base runners. Joe Morgan was proof that although speed is important it is only a piece of the pie. Just a guess because I have never seen him play but I bet Yorman has not just the speed but the instincts, technique and knowledge. Just a guess but I think he probably spends more time on the ball fields than US players have by the time they reach 16.
On defense, I understand that getting a huge jump is important. I have no idea what kind of jump Yorman gets on the ball. However, if he gets good jumps on the ball with his arm and speed you have a potential gold glove CF.
Just rolled in from Spring Training a couple hours ago.. I got to see Yorman and Duran hit batting practice, and both were impressive. Yorman didnt hit any out, but made some solid contact. Duran hits absolute bombs. His swing is easy (but a little long IMO) and the ball just jumps off it. If I had to guess, I would say he hit a few over 450 feet. His 80 rating for power is LEGIT!!
The other prospects we saw:
Frazier: looked good in BP. The ball carried on his hits further than I thought they would when he made contact. He did break his bat (which he gave to us after BP) on his first swing of BP.. Struck out in both AB's in Saturday's game vs. Toronto
Francisco: Replaced Frazier on Saturday. Looked awful at the plate (0-2, 2 K's) as he swung at several pitches out of the zone. Didnt look good in the field either.
Stubbs: K'd on 3 pitches on Saturday. But worked a full-count walk on Sunday. Popped to RF in 2nd AB on Sunday.
Valaika: ripped an RBI single to right center in first AB Sunday. drilled a line drive to the track that was ran down in his 2nd AB (He couldn't believe the LF caught it). Also made a nice backhanded-diving play (playing 2B) and throw from his knees that the runner just beat out
Mesoraco: ripped a single to left center in his first AB and bounced to SS in his 2nd. looked good in both AB's, and has good speed.. FYI, he is not fat, contrary to reports last season
If you get a chance to go to ST this year, go check out the back fields to see these guys play. It's definitely worth it!
*Also, we saw Cordero do PFP on Friday and he couldn't even walk without a limp. Then he pitched bad on Sunday. He is a major concern IMO.
thanks for the reports!
Sucks to hear about Cordero though. That is a major question mark. Good stuff with Yorman Rodriguez and Juan Duran.
tball I will be down there watching minor league practice on Sat morning.
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CF and RF. At the same time. He's that fast. Seriously.:
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Jim Coombs called to tell you to wake him up when he can start playing all 3 outfield spots at the same time.CF and RF. At the same time. He's that fast. Seriously.
That has to be one of the fastest 60's of all time. I just cannot wait until he and Duran are in Dayton, and I can go see them. I am almost to the date, the same age as Yorman, and I run an 8.1. Running a 6.3 would be amazing.
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It's extremely fast, especially for a kid his age. Yet the world record is 6.0 and you'd need to run it around 6.1 to have world class speed. In a short distance like that .1 seconds is an eternity.
And 8.1 over 60 yards? You in a walker?
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It was muddy, but I am slow.
-LTlabnerIf you can't build a winning team with that core a fire-sale isn't the solution. Selling the franchise, moving them to Nashville and converting GABP into a used car lot is.
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