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    Willy Taveras in the WBC

    I hope this isn't a sign of things to come but his baserunning has been garbage to say the least. He was thrown out trying to steal 3rd down 1 run in the 9th yesterday. Today he ran through a stop sign to get thrown out at the plate. Freel was always great at being a "fast" baserunner, but not a good baserunner and I hope that Willy isn't from this mold. We don't need a guy that takes chances and risks and inopportune times. That also scares me about the new speed and defense mold that the manager and the brass are pimping to the fans. I don't want us running just to be running, we need to be about 80-85% for the running game to have a positive impact. It also seems like we haven't been very successful stealing bags this springs... maybe that's not the case.

    Does anybody else worry about this? Is it too early to pay this much attention to the running game?
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    I think ALOU (Manager) called the steal of 3rd.

    I am hoping Dusty will have a talk with him concerning running through stop signs.
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by goreds2 View Post
    I think ALOU (Manager) called the steal of 3rd.

    I am hoping Dusty will have a talk with him concerning running through stop signs.
    They said on the air today that Alou claimed he gave no sign, and Tavares stole it on his own.
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Sabowned View Post
    They said on the air today that Alou claimed he gave no sign, and Tavares stole it on his own.

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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    The dude had more than 60 stolen bases last year. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Grounds_Crew View Post
    The dude had more than 60 stolen bases last year. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.


    If you're getting thrown out at third in the last inning with Hanley Ramirez at the plate then obviously not.

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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Depends on how many outs there were. If there was 1 out, I see no problem with it.

    If there were 0 outs, then that's just plain stupid. If there were 2 outs, then he seriously needed to be banned from playing in the league.

    With 1 out, I see no problem trying to get to 3rd base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    Depends on how many outs there were. If there was 1 out, I see no problem with it.

    If there were 0 outs, then that's just plain stupid. If there were 2 outs, then he seriously needed to be banned from playing in the league.

    With 1 out, I see no problem trying to get to 3rd base.

    I don't care how many outs there were. You don't get thrown out at third base when your down one run in the last inning. You HAVE TO KNOW you can make it. He didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldRed1966 View Post
    I don't care how many outs there were. You don't get thrown out at third base when your down one run in the last inning. You HAVE TO KNOW you can make it. He didn't.
    Do you know how many ways you can score a run when you're on 3rd base with 1 out?

    I don't mind the aggressive play.

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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    Do you know how many ways you can score a run when you're on 3rd base with 1 out?

    I don't mind the aggressive play.


    Do you know how many ways you can score a run with nobody on base and two out? It's stupid baseball, and any manager will tell you the same. You have to KNOW you can make it, otherwise you don't attempt it.

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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    You are the tying run, it's the 9th inning, you do not run! There is aggressive and then there is over agressive, and Taveras play falls in the later category. Dumb play and I'm afraid we are going to see many innings that get cut short by over aggressive baserunning.
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    On the bright side, I doubt he will try to run in that situation again, now that he was embarrassed on national TV, and probably got ripped apart in the D.R. over it.

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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy View Post
    You are the tying run, it's the 9th inning, you do not run! There is aggressive and then there is over agressive, and Taveras play falls in the later category. Dumb play and I'm afraid we are going to see many innings that get cut short by over aggressive baserunning.
    No doubt, with his self-proclaimed assault on 100 SB, he's going to be extra-aggressive. That could see him running into a lot of outs.

    The club will definitely need to get a handle on it.
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    Re: Willy Taveras in the WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by JBChance View Post
    No doubt, with his self-proclaimed assault on 100 SB, he's going to be extra-aggressive. That could see him running into a lot of outs.

    The club will definitely need to get a handle on it.
    Every CS he has to run a lap, miss played pop up he runs a lap, every weak pop up we'll break our foot off in his bum and then he will proceed to do 20 push ups?

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    Can we whip it out, like Lou Brown, and whiz on his contract? :
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