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Thread: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I agree. It's about assessing his true talent level.

    If he truly is at a Lincecum or Prior level, paying him $25M is still an unfair wage relative to the free market. It's just fairer.

    I see the point about process that some have raised.

    That said, if Strasburg can produce at a level of Lincecum's rookie year as early as 2010 and the Nats can't afford that, then, they truly are in big trouble to the degree that their viability as a major league entity should be questioned IMHO. If they can't properly value his skill level and properly estimate his risk, then, well, that's once again, kind of on them isn't it?
    But there lies the problem.... its not a free market so asking for free market prices shouldn't come into play. Sure, if Strasburg were on the free market he would be worth 30 million if he produced exactly like Prior. But he isn't on the free market.

    The skill level assessment is there and everyone knows it. The problem is, his skill level is worth X amount of dollars in draft money. He is asking X+ about 35 million.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    But there lies the problem.... its not a free market so asking for free market prices shouldn't come into play. Sure, if Strasburg were on the free market he would be worth 30 million if he produced exactly like Prior. But he isn't on the free market.

    The skill level assessment is there and everyone knows it. The problem is, his skill level is worth X amount of dollars in draft money. He is asking X+ about 35 million.
    I think the X amount of dollars Strasburg's skill level is worth in draft money is about to be determined by the market. Really there is nothing set in stone about Prior's $10.5M major league contract. All Boras is doing is telling Bud to take his slots and stick it. Boras looks to have the arm to do it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I think the X amount of dollars Strasburg's skill level is worth in draft money is about to be determined by the market. Really there is nothing set in stone about Prior's $10.5M major league contract. All Boras is doing is telling Bud to take his slots and stick it. Boras looks to have the arm to do it too.
    Several guys do that each year. Boras or not, plenty of guys sign for well over slot money each draft.

    And sure, there isn't anything set in stone about Prior's deal. However if its the benchmark in which other deals should be measured, Strasburg isn't 'worth' more than what Prior was in draft dollars.

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    Strasburg's worth whatever he can make. Just like any other prospect in the draft. He'll likely destroy the old top deal and is also likely to earn it at the major league level.

    Actually, it may be better for MLB is Stasburg signs and flames out. It'd suck for Washington, but it'd be interesting if owners would then insist on slot money for specific picks.

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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Several guys do that each year. Boras or not, plenty of guys sign for well over slot money each draft.

    And sure, there isn't anything set in stone about Prior's deal. However if its the benchmark in which other deals should be measured, Strasburg isn't 'worth' more than what Prior was in draft dollars.
    Prior signed for less than his production was worth. That doesn't make signing Strasburg for more a bad idea.

    And Doug, just curious where you stand on this because I don't think you answered the poll. Lets say you are the Nats GM and you take Strasburg. You go through negotiations and it comes down to the last hour and Boras says, you pay him $25M and he signs, otherwise he's going back in the draft next year. Yes or no, do you give him the money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Several guys do that each year. Boras or not, plenty of guys sign for well over slot money each draft.

    And sure, there isn't anything set in stone about Prior's deal. However if its the benchmark in which other deals should be measured, Strasburg isn't 'worth' more than what Prior was in draft dollars.
    Prior was drafted 8 yrs ago. Why should that mark stand as the "forever benchmark"?
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    It's an interesting game of chicken setting up to be played out between the Nats and Boras. Can the Nats afford to whiff a second year in a row on a top 10 pick or do they play hardball given they have the #10 pick in hand this season.

    Think about it....it may be possible for the Nats could have a #1 and #2 next season even though they picked #10 this season all for taking one for the "team".
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    It's an interesting game of chicken setting up to be played out between the Nats and Boras. Can the Nats afford to whiff a second year in a row on a top 10 pick or do they play hardball given they have the #10 pick in hand this season.

    Think about it....it may be possible for the Nats to have a #1 and #2 in theory next season even though they picked #10 this draft-if they take one for the "team" and really suck it up to boot.
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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Prior was drafted 8 yrs ago. Why should that mark stand as the "forever benchmark"?
    Its not just that its the highest ever, its also the only player in Strasburg class of talent from the last 10 years coming out of college. Its the benchmark for Strasburg because the comparison is there and makes sense.

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    Its not just that its the highest ever, its also the only player in Strasburg class of talent from the last 10 years coming out of college. Its the benchmark for Strasburg because the comparison is there and makes sense.
    But it doesn't make sense that the value of player X would stay stagnant over 8 years.
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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    I dont think anyone can really argue that he will get anything close to that number. Its 5 times more than most peoples max offer.

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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    But it doesn't make sense that the value of player X would stay stagnant over 8 years.
    Well it certainly hasn't doubled.

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    I'd argue it has, with respect to Washington. Boras has a kind of perfect storm set up here. The Nationals whiffed on a Top Ten pick last draft and they have money to spend. They're also fairly high profile, as the "new" hasn't quite worn off. Too, they're not just pitching poor, they're pitching starved.

    And, with the addition of Dunn, they have a pretty solid offensive core for a few years that is likely to produce in front of a fan base that is growing restless with both product and front office.

    Boras may sell Kasten and company on Strasburg as an ace, a la Prior before arm woes, that would lead them to the playoffs as early as 2010. (With Zimmerman, Lannan, and a free agent or two, it could very well happen.)

    Is a playoff possibility and renewed local and national interest worth $25 million or so?

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    Re: Stephen Strasburg Over Slot Poll

    Regardless of its 'worth', its overpaying based upon past precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Regardless of its 'worth', its overpaying based upon past precedent.
    Is that in and of itself a reason to not do it?
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