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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by GADawg View Post
    I don't mind being in the minority...sometimes.... he ain't a bad lefty to have off the bench....with the catchers "we" have he wouldn't figure to see any time behind the plate anyway.

    Gimme the pornstache!!
    I agree, although I'm biased because he's a really nice guy! Yay for Javy!
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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    I watched Javy strikeout the other night while on MLB TV. Really awful approach. I used to not have much against Javy when he was hunkered down and taking some good swings. (That was at least 3 years ago.) Somewhere along the way he decided he was going to be a PH HR specialist. His swing is now LONGER than when he was here. I wasn't sure that was possible.

    The three longest swings I have seen in person are Terrance Long, Pete Rose Jr., and Javy Valentin.

    The most impressive bat that I have had the great fortune to watch (On TV) has been Chris Davis of the Rangers. Great plate coverage, Oppo power, awesome bat speed. Looking forward to watching him in an already potent lineup.
    Those long swings don't even cut it when they are young. Love to see a player with good bat speed and a good approach.
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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Sign him to a minor leauge deal so he can teach all the kids how to grow a real mustache.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post


    Bringing back Javy would just about top things off.
    R. Hernandez, Hanigan, W. Castillo.

    This team has zero use or need for Javy, even as that LH PH.

    His ship has sailed and need to never dock again with the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    R. Hernandez, Hanigan, W. Castillo.

    This team has zero use or need for Javy, even as that LH PH.

    His ship has sailed and need to never dock again with the Reds.
    I'm not in favor of bringing Javy back, but I don't agree that there is no need. The Reds have failed to replace him as a lefty hitter off the bench. The Reds have left themselves with a total of three lefty hitters on the team (excluding pitchers). I can understand why they didn't acquire Jermaine Dye. I can't understand why they haven't replaced Valentin.

    Castillo would be ok except the primary role is hitting in pinch hit situations. Usually that's not a spot for a rookie.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Wrong.

    As much as I cannot stand the thought of Jacque Jones on this team, even he is a better option off the bench from the lefty side than Javy Valentin.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I'm not in favor of bringing Javy back, but I don't agree that there is no need. The Reds have failed to replace him as a lefty hitter off the bench. The Reds have left themselves with a total of three lefty hitters on the team (excluding pitchers). I can understand why they didn't acquire Jermaine Dye. I can't understand why they haven't replaced Valentin.

    Castillo would be ok except the primary role is hitting in pinch hit situations. Usually that's not a spot for a rookie.
    Adding Javy Valentin back to this roster for the sole purpose of being a LH PH is the definition of a wasted roster spot.

    J. Jones, Nix, W. Castillo, Dickerson. All guys that are a much better use of a roster spot than wasting it on Javy Valentin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainspark View Post
    John Fay reports on his blog that Javy is visiting the Reds and "chatting up" Dusty...


    "Javy Valentin is watching the Reds take BP and chatting up Dusty Baker.

    He's on my top 5 of favorite Reds. Great guy. Ill-suited for his role last year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Adding Javy Valentin back to this roster for the sole purpose of being a LH PH is the definition of a wasted roster spot.

    J. Jones, Nix, W. Castillo, Dickerson. All guys that are a much better use of a roster spot than wasting it on Javy Valentin.
    I thought i said i don't favor Javy for this team. And I don't.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the Reds did not adequately replace Javy on this squad. A lefty hitter off the bench is a basic part of any major league roster. The Reds' candidates are long shots.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I thought i said i don't favor Javy for this team. And I don't.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the Reds did not adequately replace Javy on this squad. A lefty hitter off the bench is a basic part of any major league roster. The Reds' candidates are long shots.
    What makes you think Javy is a better LH bench option than Jones or Nix?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    What makes you think Javy is a better LH bench option than Jones or Nix?

    Javy was a valuable player for the Reds at one point. He hit very well in 2005, for example. I know that's not the prevailing view around here.

    But Javy's time with the club is over. I'm not advocating his return. Time to move on.

    When I look at Jones' 2008 and spring 2009; and when I look at Nix's lifetime major league record; I am not convinced that the Reds have adequately filled the LH hitting spot for the bench.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Javy was a valuable player for the Reds at one point. He hit very well in 2005, for example. I know that's not the prevailing view around here.

    But Javy's time with the club is over. I'm not advocating his return. Time to move on.

    When I look at Jones' 2008 and spring 2009; and when I look at Nix's lifetime major league record; I am not convinced that the Reds have adequately filled the LH hitting spot for the bench.
    I agree with most everything you just said. But just as Javy was a good hitter four years ago, so was Jacque Jones. Heck, those two haven't been effective hitters since Laynce Nix was in AA. I think you need to get past Nix's limited playing time in the majors and give his minor league track record a look. There is a reason the projection systems expect big things out of him in 2009...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I agree with most everything you just said. But just as Javy was a good hitter four years ago, so was Jacque Jones. Heck, those two haven't been effective hitters since Laynce Nix was in AA. I think you need to get past Nix's limited playing time in the majors and give his minor league track record a look. There is a reason the projection systems expect big things out of him in 2009...

    We'll see whether the Reds go with Nix. We may know tomorrow when the team makes cuts. He has power but also has a high K/BB ratio, even in the minor leagues.

    The question is whether he can succeed with limited playing time and in pinch hitting performances. IMO the guys best suited to that role are usually veteran hitters who are patient and make contact. Nix doesn't seem to be that type, but if they keep him I'll root him on.

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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    We'll see whether the Reds go with Nix. We may know tomorrow when the team makes cuts. He has power but also has a high K/BB ratio, even in the minor leagues.

    The question is whether he can succeed with limited playing time and in pinch hitting performances. IMO the guys best suited to that role are usually veteran hitters who are patient and make contact. Nix doesn't seem to be that type, but if they keep him I'll root him on.
    Shoulda kept Ward.
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    Re: Javy is a free agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I thought i said i don't favor Javy for this team. And I don't.

    But that doesn't change the fact that the Reds did not adequately replace Javy on this squad. A lefty hitter off the bench is a basic part of any major league roster. The Reds' candidates are long shots.
    You said you don't want them to bring Javy back, but at the same time they did nothing to address the LH PH vacancy created by the Pornstache leaving town.

    My argument is that the Reds are better b/c of addition by subtraction, and that we have guys just as good, if not better, to be the LH PH than Javy Valentin.

    ... plus the fact the Reds had other dire, pressing needs to address than a LH PH, and they punted on most, if not all of them.


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