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    Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archiv...n_jones_r.html

    I believe some of those who were insisting the team had to find a more promising "SS of the future" felt that Arias was a worthy candidate.

    Wouldn't be surprised if there were a match involving a BP arm like Bray or Roenicke.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    that wouldn't be a bad move.. Bray or Roenicke. i like Joaquin's make up and would be a good compliment to Phillips due to the fact you don't know what you are getting from Gonzalez.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    There was a report on Wednesday that the Reds are interested in outfielder Jones and second baseman Arias.

    Jocketty denied the team is interested in Jones, but was less commital about Arias, who is 24.

    I dont think its anything we would do right now, but I always tell my scouts to try to find a young guy, Jocketty said. "We're trying to find the next Hanley Ramirez."

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...cincinnati.com

    I made this post about Arias last night:

    Count me in favor of Joaquin Arias. The numbers may not show it, but he's got some talent. Baseball America describes Arias as having plus range, a plus-plus arm, and a plus-plus runner. They also say he flashes above-average power in batting practice, though he has yet to translate it to game action. He did show signs of improvement with the bat in 2008, as he hit .296/.329/.421 - .750 while stealing 23 bases in 28 tries in Triple-A. He just turned 24 in September, so there is still time for his bat to improve. His biggest flaw right now is he's overaggressive at the plate. With his defense, if he could OPS around .730 or so he could be an asset at shortstop.

    Hopefully Walt can work out a trade for him if he can be had cheaply.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Nothing against the guy, but I think they're gonna have to look somewhere else for the next Hanley ramirez

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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

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    Wednesday, April 01, 2009


    The Rangers correspondent for mlb.com is reported that the Reds are talking hotly to the Rangers about SS prospect Joaquin Arias. The line is that now that they have dealt Keppinger, the Reds are looking for another backup infielder.

    That doesn't make much sense to me: why deal one reserve, only to get another one? What I think the Reds may be doing in this case, assuming the report is accurate, is looking for their 2010 shortstop. Arias may be looked upon as the successor to Alex Gonzalez once his contract expires at the end of the year.

    Arias is a tall, slim shortstop in the mold of Davey Concepcion, with a similar array of talents. Arias has hit for a good average, walked little, shown good speed but little power, and has a good glove reputation. The major difference is, by this age (24), Concepcion was an established major league shortstop, while Arias is still trying to get a foothold.

    Arias hit .315 in AA at age 20, a fine showing, but drew only 17 walks. He has spent his most recent minor league experience at AAA Oklahoma City, batting .269 in 2006 (at age 21) and .296 last year at age 23.

    What about 2007? Arias was on the DL for nearly the entire year with "right shoulder inflammation." That doesn't sound serious enough to keep a guy out for a whole year, but he did come back last year and play. He even got into 32 games for Texas, and held his own, batting .291 and posting a 100 OPS+. That's major league average. He even stole four bases.

    With most of the Reds' minor league shortstops being judged as having insufficient range to play the position in the majors, I am guessing they want to acquire someone with the defensive chops for the position, hence the pursuit of Arias. I am not enthused about his offense-he looks like a slappy type, who will swing at bad pitches-he has enough speed and a good enough rep with the glove to make him a contender.

    I only wonder what the Rangers would require to get him. Presumably a pitcher, as they are short-handed on the major league mound, though there are many prospects on the way.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Now this is a move I could get behind. Seems like a better version of Andino.

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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    If the Reds think this guy can be the starting SS in 2010 and provide top of the league defense, then I'm all for getting him. I actually think that a SS in 2010 and beyond is the biggest need for this organization.

    Cozart is the only guy in the system who projects to be a major league glove as SS, and no one knows if he will ever hit enough. If the scouts think Arias can mature into a major league avg. SS with the bat, enough to justify his glove, then he is just what the Reds need.

    In terms of him being the next Hanley Ramirez, I don't see it in the stats, but I have not seen him play ever. Hanley didn't put up monster numbers in the minors either, but he did put up some .500+ SLG partials in different leagues. Arias has never SLG'ed above .429 as a pro. But he doesn't need to be the next Hanley, even if he only turns into the next Jason Bartlett, he will be a nice addition.

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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    I've always been intrigued by Arias but I must admit that the last time I read something on him the Rangers were considering him for CF (that was probably over a year ago or so). I can only speculate on why that was but I thought (and I could be wrong) that it had something to do with arm accuracy, moreso than convenience.

    But depending on who they want this could be a relatively good deal, you can't have too many people vying for that position. Wonder though what this says about guys like Valaika?
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I've always been intrigued by Arias but I must admit that the last time I read something on him the Rangers were considering him for CF (that was probably over a year ago or so). I can only speculate on why that was but I thought (and I could be wrong) that it had something to do with arm accuracy, moreso than convenience.

    But depending on who they want this could be a relatively good deal, you can't have too many people vying for that position. Wonder though what this says about guys like Valaika?
    Maybe because they have Andrus? The guy I would love to get is the Milwaukee shorstop prospect. Saw him play last week and he looks like he's going to be very good.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    For Bray yes for Josh R nay
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Maybe because they have Andrus? The guy I would love to get is the Milwaukee shorstop prospect. Saw him play last week and he looks like he's going to be very good.
    I think it was actually intimated that the Rangers didn't yet feel comfortable moving Michael Young at that point. Apparently Andrus gave them more reason too. I take that to mean either Andrus prospect status pushed Young over or he plays clearly better defense than Arias, or maybe a combination of both.

    Yeah I like Alcides Escobar better than Andrus or Arias but I don't see them trading him unless you were to offer something that they just couldn't turn down. Personally my favorite SS prospect is still the Dodgers DeJesus Jr. he has both the bat and enough defense to be an above avg. SS and I think right now.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by Topcat View Post
    For Bray yes for Josh R nay
    If we give up Bray we are likely to get robbed on that deal. Arias is talented but still pretty raw. I'd trade them Herrera back but I doubt they would do it. Probably a better fit would be Ramon Ramirez who although I like isn't probably anything more than a LR man what with only having 2 decent but not great pitches (FB and Change). He probably helps Texas immediately whereas he is probably now down the list a bit for us. Maloney is another good candidate.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I think it was actually intimated that the Rangers didn't yet feel comfortable moving Michael Young at that point. Apparently Andrus gave them more reason too. I take that to mean either Andrus prospect status pushed Young over or he plays clearly better defense than Arias, or maybe a combination of both.

    Yeah I like Alcides Escobar better than Andrus or Arias but I don't see them trading him unless you were to offer something that they just couldn't turn down. Personally my favorite SS prospect is still the Dodgers DeJesus Jr. he has both the bat and enough defense to be an above avg. SS and I think right now.
    DeJesus Jr. is out for at least four months and possibly the whole year after breaking his leg a couple weeks ago.
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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    DeJesus Jr. is out for at least four months and possibly the whole year after breaking his leg a couple weeks ago.
    And very overrated. I just don't see his weak bat translating all that well to the majors. Defense or not, its very tough to slug like Willy Taveras and be a valuable major leaguer.

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    Re: Reds interested in Joaquin Arias

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    And very overrated. I just don't see his weak bat translating all that well to the majors. Defense or not, its very tough to slug like Willy Taveras and be a valuable major leaguer.
    What's weak about his bat Doug, that's news too me.

    Ok I get ya, somehow I managed to gloss over that fact (Low career Slg%, but had a good year at 21 last year with a .423 Slg%) . But ya know what ya gotta take a chance sometime Doug, ya just can't say no to every prospect just because you don't think they will improve some part of their game. He has good plate discipline, solid speed and above avg defense. Plus he has shown he might just have gap power in that bat. I think he's a good gamble.
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