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    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    I agree, KC, but will have a harder time arguing patience with some folks in here with regard to sample size when he gets to 10 starts this year.

    I am happy he is where he is, and I also think he needs a full year of ups and downs and eventually sustained success at AAA.
    Sure, I understand. And, hey, nobody is more impatient with the Reds than me. I want to see them win, right now, with every young phenom pitching all-star caliber baseball.

    But in Homer's case I'm starting to think his progress is being hurt by all the expectations. He probably thinks that every start is an immediate stepping stone to the major leagues and puts too much pressure on himself.

    They should treat him like they did Votto, like they are now doing with someone like Francisco. One level at a time.

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    Agree entirely on his spending at least the better part of the year in AAA. He should never have been jerked up the way he's been in the past anyway--originally by the dynamic duo of Krivsky-Narron. Now is when he learns how to pitch and when we find out if he can do that. There is no other way. He may need to be a lot more precise with his fastball as well as his breaking stuff. One way to cope with having really bad location on the breaking stuff is to throw more hard stuff, but this means having the ability to move it around pretty precisely.
    As to first week disappointments, I'm a lot more disappointed in Volquez's start After all. we didn't trade Josh for Homer.

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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I'll go ahead and bold the other important part.

    It's one start, but it sounds like it was the same Homer. Spring Training means nothing, and one start doesn't mean very much. Definatley not encouraging though.
    Actually, it didn't sound like the old Homer at all. The 2008 version of Homer had average stuff. Everyone who saw Homer last night said his stuff looked good. Jeff and Thom said Homer's breaking stuff was the best they've seen during spring training.

    Edit - Apparently there was a steady rain falling throughout the game. A wet ball can make it very difficult to command a breaking pitch.

    I'm not writing him off after one start. If he struggles again in his next two starts, I'll worry. But for now, I'm not worried at all. Bad starts happen.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    One walk, 5 strikeouts. Keep that up and the runs scored will come down.
    Exactly.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    One walk, 5 strikeouts. Keep that up and the runs scored will come down.
    10 baserunners in 5.1 innings. Keep that up and the runs scored will stay sky high. I do agree the one walk is very encouraging and I definitely like seeing the one K per inning as well. All that said, it's only one start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    One walk, 5 strikeouts. Keep that up and the runs scored will come down.
    Yes.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    If we're excited that Homer has a 5/1 K/BB ratio and still gave up 8 runs and 3 HR's, then that's a sad state for our fan base, franchise, and especially Homer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    If we're excited that Homer has a 5/1 K/BB ratio and still gave up 8 runs and 3 HR's, then that's a sad state for our fan base, franchise, and especially Homer.
    I think the point being made was that IF he continues to have a 5:1 K/BB, the runs allowed will come down.
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    I think Homer's going to be fine, and this, right now, is where we and he find out whether he can actually learn to pitch. As to the rain, sometimes it's raining. Throw more fastballs, hit the right spots, keep your team in the game. That's part of pitching.

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    You guys really need to relax regarding Homer its only one game. I doubt Oriole fans are getting ready to jump off a bridge because Matt Wieters went 0-3 with 2Ks last night in his AAA debut.

    The other point people always overlook, is guys in the minors are there to work on specific things whether it is holding guys on base, or working on off speed pitches by thowing more of them or throwing them in counts where you would not normally throw them. As such results are not always indicative of progress.

    Early in his career everyone was all pumped up on him because he was putting up great numbers throwing his cheese by overmatched hitters in the low minors and everyone saw him as a savior to for the pitching starved big league team.

    Once he got to higher levels he started getting smacked around because he never fully developed offspeed stuff or command to go with the heat and everybody soured on him as a prospect.

    So I look at it this way, he is on his last option and we have a strong rotation in the bigs so its not critical that he is ready immediately. His attitude has apparently changed, his stuff is better and if he takes some lumps early on in the minors fixing the things he needs work on, I am completely ok with that. I think by the end of the year he will have compiled many more good starts that bad and will be a productive major league pitcher. If it never happens for him then so be it, but I am not ready to kill him on one start.

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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Well said, KRM.

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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    You guys really need to relax regarding Homer its only one game. I doubt Oriole fans are getting ready to jump off a bridge because Matt Wieters went 0-3 with 2Ks last night in his AAA debut.

    The other point people always overlook, is guys in the minors are there to work on specific things whether it is holding guys on base, or working on off speed pitches by thowing more of them or throwing them in counts where you would not normally throw them. As such results are not always indicative of progress.

    Early in his career everyone was all pumped up on him because he was putting up great numbers throwing his cheese by overmatched hitters in the low minors and everyone saw him as a savior to for the pitching starved big league team.

    Once he got to higher levels he started getting smacked around because he never fully developed offspeed stuff or command to go with the heat and everybody soured on him as a prospect.

    So I look at it this way, he is on his last option and we have a strong rotation in the bigs so its not critical that he is ready immediately. His attitude has apparently changed, his stuff is better and if he takes some lumps early on in the minors fixing the things he needs work on, I am completely ok with that. I think by the end of the year he will have compiled many more good starts that bad and will be a productive major league pitcher. If it never happens for him then so be it, but I am not ready to kill him on one start.
    Excellent post. You should post more often.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    The other point people always overlook, is guys in the minors are there to work on specific things whether it is holding guys on base, or working on off speed pitches by thowing more of them or throwing them in counts where you would not normally throw them. As such results are not always indicative of progress.
    I thought the same thing reading this thread. It's like the veterans getting shelled in ST. Harang got knocked around, but came out and said he was definitely working on pitches. If Homer's working on the breaking ball, and his trouble came when throwing the breaking ball, that makes sense. He'll progress and progress well. Luckily, he's in the right place to do so.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Not a huge deal. I'm not overly concerned yet. I think he will rebound nicely.
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    Re: Homer Bailey's First Start 2009

    Welcome KRM. Glad to hear from you.


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