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    Juan Francisco's K rate

    Off to a rousing start.

    6 K's in 15 PA so far this year.

    This may actually be down from last year.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    Off to a rousing start.

    6 K's in 15 PA so far this year.

    This may actually be down from last year.
    Francisco struck out 123 times last year in 541 PAs, 22.7 percent of the time. That is quite reasonable for a power hitter, not high at all. And it was a significant improvement over 2007, in which he fanned 161 times in 562 at bats, or 28.6 percent of the time.

    Now, this year, in 15 at bats, he has fanned forty percent of the time, which obviously is quite a bit higher than last year. It might be a realistic alternative, though, to give Juan a few more at bats before putting him on irrevocable waivers.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    I know it's a very, very small sample size. But it's concerning for a guy with so much potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    I know it's a very, very small sample size. But it's concerning for a guy with so much potential.
    His K rate isn't concerning. His walk rate is. AA is the level he may wind up figuring out he needs to tighten his swing zone, pitchers are no longer playing around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    His K rate isn't concerning. His walk rate is. AA is the level he may wind up figuring out he needs to tighten his swing zone, pitchers are no longer playing around.
    Thank you for posting that sooner than later. The higher the levels he gets, pitchers will figure him out even more.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Agreed, Doug. He's never going to be a great contact hitter, so the K's will always be there to some extent. For his talent to really gel, he's going to need to stop chasing so much crap out of the zone.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    I know it's a very, very small sample size. But it's concerning for a guy with so much potential.
    That's about all you need to worry about right now w/ any player in baseball. Check back w/ numbers in a month and you'll begin to see the real story (good or bad)

    +1 to what Doug said.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    This guy could be something special------------if allowed to develop, and he has the desire to do so. Otherwise, he will become the re-incarnation of Wily Mo. Please!! Patience, Patience, Patience. (Didn't have that option with Wily Mo due to his contract).

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    From Baseball Prospectus:

    Juan Francisco, 3B, Reds (Double-A Carolina)
    Francisco is such an unusual prospect: it's easy to get excited about some of his tools, as both his power and arm rate as plus-plus if not better, but at the same time, he's a bad-bodied and downright sloppy third baseman who will swing at anything. He still entices at times, however, and he certainly did so during a five-game stretch against Carolina over the weekend, going 10-for-24 with a double, three home runs (including two Monday), and nine RBI. Unfortunately, that only raised his averages on the season to .245/.271/.462. The potential is certainly there, but he'll need to make some adjustments.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=8947
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    From Baseball Prospectus:

    Juan Francisco, 3B, Reds (Double-A Carolina)
    Francisco is such an unusual prospect: it's easy to get excited about some of his tools, as both his power and arm rate as plus-plus if not better, but at the same time, he's a bad-bodied and downright sloppy third baseman who will swing at anything. He still entices at times, however, and he certainly did so during a five-game stretch against Carolina over the weekend, going 10-for-24 with a double, three home runs (including two Monday), and nine RBI. Unfortunately, that only raised his averages on the season to .245/.271/.462. The potential is certainly there, but he'll need to make some adjustments.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=8947
    It's not that impressive for an intra-squad game...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    It's not that impressive for an intra-squad game...
    Beat me to it

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by gedred69 View Post
    This guy could be something special------------if allowed to develop, and he has the desire to do so. Otherwise, he will become the re-incarnation of Wily Mo. Please!! Patience, Patience, Patience. (Didn't have that option with Wily Mo due to his contract).
    Yeah, becuase Pena's agent wouldn't allow it to be restructured so he could be sent down to the minors, IIRC......

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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Francisco with two hits and two RBIs tonight now has 33 RBI in 45 games as a 21 year old at AA.

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    and hitting 250 with an ops under 750
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    Re: Juan Francisco's K rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    and hitting 250 with an ops under 750
    Youngest guy on his team had a bad start adjusing to AA. In last batch of games his numbers have been steadily climbing.

    By the way, you left out his nine homers.


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