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    Re: 2009 Reds Attendance

    Cincinnati and the outlying area always struck me as more of a basketball area than football or baseball. Maybe it's just me. But the rest of Ohio sure is nuts for football, that's for certain...
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    Re: 2009 Reds Attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Cincinnati and the outlying area always struck me as more of a basketball area than football or baseball. Maybe it's just me. But the rest of Ohio sure is nuts for football, that's for certain...
    Friday night football in Cincinnati is pretty popular (as are the Bengals - much more so than they deserve for the past 18 years).

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    Growing up, most of what I've known is the current attendance situation. The 1999 season was a special year for me. I was a Reds fan before that, but that's the first year I LIVED AND BREATHED Reds baseball. I woke up in the summer, the first thing I thought of was the Reds game that night. I miss that feeling. Of course I still look forward to the games. And I go to 8-10 games a year. But the crowds are just horrible. Even if this team were to improve this year and put a better brand of baseball on the field, I can't say that things would significantly improve in the stands. It will take time. Many of us are in denial that this just isn't a great baseball town at the moment.

    Very few times in my life have I heard a Reds crowd come alive. In 2006, I was at the Cardinals game when Freel made that spectacular catch and the Reds seemed to be in for a fight down the stretch. The crowd was great that night. And in 1999, I remember a Pokey Reese walk off homer down the stretch in a huge win, and the crowd went insane. I think the Reds also moved into first place that night (perhaps that was another night, not sure). But on the scoreboard, when it was announced that the Reds were in first, the place went crazy.

    But those moments are few and far between. The Reds are my first sports love. I grew up going to games with my dad, with my grandpa, hearing stories about 1990, about the 70's, about Pete Rose and Johnny Bench and Tony Perez and on and on and on. Sometimes I wonder what I'm going to tell my kids some day. It makes me sad to think that I'll have to just repeat what my grandpa and dad have told me, because I have yet to see anything special with my own eyes.

    And that's why nobody comes to the park. It won't stop me from coming. But it will stop many, especially with a recession hitting the area hard.

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    The franchise and it's various blunders have sapped the life out of a once vibrant fanbase.

    They'll need consecutive winning seasons and go deep into the playoffs in order to completely heal these wounds.

    I'm rabid. I still go to games and pay attention to things they do every day, but I've been doing it with a heavy heart the last couple of seasons.

    The Reds are like a really old dog. It's almost too sad to pet him sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    The franchise and it's various blunders have sapped the life out of a once vibrant fanbase.
    Right. As poorly as Bob C has been doing as an owner, He's by far the best owner the reds have seen in .... well, in a heck of a long time. They've driven the franchise into the ground.

    To then turn around and wonder why folks don't show up is ingenuine.

    Give the local fan base 10 seasons of winning and then we can compare the local scene to St. Louis.
    "Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010

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    Give the local fan base 10 seasons of winning and then we can compare the local scene to St. Louis.
    You think?

    Ten years of winning, I think more. From 67-81 the Reds had 1 losing season and only came in first in attendance one year.

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     1981 	Cincinnati Reds			1,093,730 		20,254 	5th of 12 
    1980 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,022,450 		24,664 	5th of 12 	 
    1979 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,356,933 		29,462 	3rd of 12 	 
    1978 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,532,497 		31,656 	2nd of 12 	 
    1977 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,519,670 		31,107 	3rd of 12 	 
    1976 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,629,708 		32,466 	1st of 12 	 
    1975 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,315,603 		28,588 	2nd of 12 	 
    1974 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,164,307 		26,394 	2nd of 12 
    1973 	Cincinnati Reds 		2,017,601 		24,909 	2nd of 12  
    1972 	Cincinnati Reds 		1,611,459 		21,203 	3rd of 12 	 
    1971 	Cincinnati Reds 		1,501,122 		18,532 	7th of 12 	 
    1970 	Cincinnati Reds 		1,803,568 		22,266 	2nd of 12 
    1969 	Cincinnati Reds 		 987,991 		12,197 	8th of 12 	 
    1968 	Cincinnati Reds 	 	 733,354 		8,943 	8th of 10 	 
    1967 	Cincinnati Reds 		 958,300 		11,831 	7th of 10 	  
    1966 	Cincinnati Reds 		 742,958 		9,405 	9th of 10
    the Reds have topped 30K on average 4 times in their history, St. Louis has done it 21 times since 1985, including 6 years of over 40K.
    Last edited by westofyou; 04-13-2009 at 01:00 PM.

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    Winning with St. Louis is key to the attendance but also the draw of Big Mac for some of those years. Heck, I was at the game in 1999 when Pokey hit the game winning HR, and right after the last McGuire at-bat (8th inning IIRC) I saw many fans leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    White equals below .500 seasons and green .500 and above, other seasons noted.

    Who aside from the Pirates has more white?

    Nice graphic!

    Nothing but a sea of white for the Reds and Pirates since the 2000 season ended.

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    Re: 2009 Reds Attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    We seem to have this discussion every year in the first week of the season. Kinda silly isn't it?

    People still have kids in school, as well as various school activities going on. So that makes it hard on week day games.

    Weather is also a factor.

    Plus, even MLB has warned franchises that attendance could drop anywhere from 17-20% due to the recession.
    I was going to ask about these factors...from my view (it's a long look from central Florida), the Reds seem so very dependent upon commuter ticket sales from the outlying areas...when it's April, cold and weekdays, I don't think we should be concerned...

    Whether or not attendance picks up will be up to the W-L record...as we get into summer, excitement will trump economy, but economy will trump tradition...if the Reds are good enough, folks will still come...

    Last week, Barry Larkin was on the Mad Dog radio show and spoke of the negative culture that surrounds the Reds, the city and its fanbase...he spoke in hopeful terms that the Reds were turning the corner with their young talent and seemed upbeat about the future, but I did think his comment was telling...

    What was the atmosphere like in '99 and '00???...I have no idea and wanted some perspective...


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    Quote Originally Posted by coachw513 View Post
    I was going to ask about these factors...from my view (it's a long look from central Florida), the Reds seem so very dependent upon commuter ticket sales from the outlying areas...when it's April, cold and weekdays, I don't think we should be concerned...

    Whether or not attendance picks up will be up to the W-L record...as we get into summer, excitement will trump economy, but economy will trump tradition...if the Reds are good enough, folks will still come...

    Last week, Barry Larkin was on the Mad Dog radio show and spoke of the negative culture that surrounds the Reds, the city and its fanbase...he spoke in hopeful terms that the Reds were turning the corner with their young talent and seemed upbeat about the future, but I did think his comment was telling...

    What was the atmosphere like in '99 and '00???...I have no idea and wanted some perspective...
    For as great of a season as it was in 1999, the fans were surprisingly lassiez faire. It was strange. I remember being at a game in june or july and there were 19,000 people there.

    I was also at the Pokey Reese game that year and 40,000 were in attendance but probably a third of them were Cards fans. The atmosphere was phenominal. My friend and I were leading cheers for Philadelphia to beat Houston, allowing the Reds to vault into first if they could win. That team pulled off some close wins that year and the people that slept on them really missed something special.

    2000 was kinda lame. Buncha bandwagoners that barely watched the game showed up. Reds couldn't pitch that year anyway.
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    Re: 2009 Reds Attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    2000 was kinda lame. Buncha bandwagoners that barely watched the game showed up. Reds couldn't pitch that year anyway.
    Your bandwagon fans are the fans that drive up attendance. They are the fans that every organization tries to attract. They are the fans with the expendable income that choose whether or not they want to go to a Reds game as opposed to doing something else. Bandwagon fans or not, the more Reds fans who go to the games the better off for the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Your bandwagon fans are the fans that drive up attendance. They are the fans that every organization tries to attract. They are the fans with the expendable income that choose whether or not they want to go to a Reds game as opposed to doing something else. Bandwagon fans or not, the more Reds fans who go to the games the better off for the Reds.
    Yes, the Reds have the wagon, now they need the band. Or vice versa?

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    Re: 2009 Reds Attendance

    Well, I have yet to attend a game at GABP since I moved down to Houston back in '86. If I were still in Columbus, I'd certainly be going to more games. But alas, I'm stuck with going to away games at Minute Maid Park. I just got my tickets for this Saturday & Sunday's games though, so I'm pumped. They've got it listed as Harang vs Rodriguez then Volquez vs Moehler. If it stays those matchups, I'm looking at two wins. :O)
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    Wandy Rodriguez is no slouch. By any stretch. He's got great k/9 numbers. I think this may be his breakout year.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    GAC, much of what you listed are excuses that Reds fans use, but this is stuff doesn't really apply in several other big league cities and that's my point.
    But Cincy isn't St Louis, Chicago, Milwaukee, or wherever Cyclone, in comparison to other large metropolis'. The Queen City may historically possess the first professional baseball team, and have some heritage in that aspect; but that's about as far as it goes.

    Even at the height of the BRM they averaged around 2.5M/year. And without doing the math - over the last several years we've averaged a little over 2M/year. The Brewers, over the past 2 years have had attendance of 3M and 2.8M. But prior to that, and if one looks historically in comparison to the Reds, the Brewer fan attendance is far more erratic and inconsistent compared to Red fans.... http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...L/attend.shtml

    And it's unfair to compare Cincinnati to Chicago and other larger cities. To St Louis? You get no argument. But I think that city is a truly, loyal baseball town, and not as fickle as Cincinnati. They love their baseball in St Louis. Now it also helps that they've consistently had a successful organization there for many years too. Now maybe if they too would incur the same problems if their organization was ran similar to the Reds as of late.

    Now some contend that with this organization - "If you build it they will come". To a degree yes, you would see a bump in attendance. But not what some would expect. IMO, you'll never see attendance come close to the 3M/year range. Just ain't gonna happen IMO. Why do I say that? Where were they in the '99 season when they were 96-67 and barely drew 2M? Yet three years later, when that W-L record was almost reversed, they drew almost 2.4M. And that's exactly what they drew in their 1990 WS year.

    You're just not gonna see it in Cincy Cyclone.

    woy showed some great attendance stats.

    And Heath brings up a very good point....

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    Historically this franchise can not be supported by the Greater Cincinnati Area. It requires people to drive in from Lexington, Louisville, Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus, and all the other little towns in between. I don't have a link, but Bob Howsam in the mid-70's did surveys showing where Reds fans drove. (They recorded license plates!) They found out that 40% of the fans were from outside of Hamilton County, and that 20-30% of them drove over one hour to get there.
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