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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Here's another Astros forum thread about it. I think the second post might be a fair analysis:

    I had high hopes for Sutton, so this is kind of disappointing. Sutton demonstrated that he is a good offensive player in AA, putting up an OPS over .900 and exhibiting both power and plate discipline. His down side is that even though he plays all infield positions, he isn't a particularly good defensive player. His best position is 2d base. He is ranked in the top 6 Astros prospects on most every list. Fangraphs may have put him as high as 2d or 3d, but most have him around 6. Of course, a 6th best on the Astros' list would be much lower on other teams. Sutton reminds me of that gritty, power hitting middle infield prospect which the Astros seem to groom, but who seldom makes the major league team (partly attributable to the presence of Biggio and Burke in the system)--comparable to Brooks Conrad or Keith Ginter.

    I think the Astros probably concluded that Matsui, signed through next year, and Keppinger, still under team control next year, would block Sutton. I got the impression that Cooper preferred Manzella and Maysonet because they were better defensive players. Also, Sutton gained his offensive skill relatively late in his minor league career, and I think Wade is betting that Sutton's offensive numbers aren't sustainable at higher levels. I felt that Sutton needed to make the ML roster this year because he is relatively old, and would start to get the Quad-A reputation if he doesn't make the majors by age 26. I hope that this trade doesn't come back to bite the Astros.

    On the surface, it isn't a bad trade. A 25 year old minor league infield prospect for a 29 year old proven major league infielder doesn't seem unfair. However, given that the Reds were in a roster bind with Keppinger, you wonder if the Astros could have waited and gotten the trade done more cheaply.
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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Another interesting tidbit from the same poster in the thread linked above:

    Apparently the PTBNL was dependent on Keppinger's early season performance. If it was above a certain threshold, Reds could get a player from column A and if not, they get a player from column B. Keppinger obviously has hit well.

    I agree that Sutton's lack of defensive versatility hurt him, even though I think he might have been able to play 3d base well enough if he had been given a chance there. And he has a narrow window of opportunity, given his age, to become a starting 2d baseman; and that window was blocked by Keppinger and Matsui.
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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    MVP of a AA League when he was 25 doesn't count for a whole lot.

    As for Valaika, he seems to be at SS since Janish is in the majors, so Sutton will likely be playing 2B.
    Dickerson was an older prospect as well. He may not be a world beater but is he someone good to have in the system?

    Non the less the Reds got the AA MVP for a utility player. I liked Keppy but the Reds may have gotten a player with a higher upside. It will be interesting to see what happens if he continues to develop if he will have a position to play.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Seems like a cheaper younger version of Keppinger to me. Not exactly the same but both serve the same roles on good teams.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Pretty sure Sutton played with Mike Griffin at Baylor.
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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Seems like a cheaper younger version of Keppinger to me. Not exactly the same but both serve the same roles on good teams.

    I agree - the Reds traded Kepp for a younger version who maybe has a bit more power and is a switch hitter. Overall an upgrade with an eye to future benefit for the Reds and immediate benefit for the Stros.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Pretty sure Sutton played with Mike Griffin at Baylor.
    You're right. So did Paul Witt (briefly a Reds minor leaguer in 2007), Abe Woody (the player the Reds traded to obtain Jerry Gil), and Kyle Edens (the player the Reds traded for Esteban Yan).

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Is Sutton better than Keppinger defensively? What about his speed?
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    Re: Drew Sutton

    The Astros poster mentions Sutton being a consensus top 6 prospect in their (weak) system. What would that translate to in the Reds system? Fringe top 10? Top 15?

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    I think sutton is no doubt a better base stealer than Kepp, having stolen 20+ bases the last 3 years in the minors. He also has a bit more punch in his bat then Kepp does.

    Defensively I think they would be a wash. Sutton probably has better range due to his speed, but Kepp had more versatility around the diamond.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    I do like Sutton's plate discipline. It seems like that's a skill that would translate to the big leagues pretty well.
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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    I do like Sutton's plate discipline. It seems like that's a skill that would translate to the big leagues pretty well.
    Agreed. Regardless of his age his 08 season was impressive. .317/.408/.931 will play anywhere. Throughout his minor league career he seems to be a pretty good OBP guy which makes him an asset to the Reds now.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    The Astros poster mentions Sutton being a consensus top 6 prospect in their (weak) system. What would that translate to in the Reds system? Fringe top 10? Top 15?
    25-30 in my opinion. He is a lesser talented version of Adam Rosales.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Dickerson was an older prospect as well. He may not be a world beater but is he someone good to have in the system?

    Non the less the Reds got the AA MVP for a utility player. I liked Keppy but the Reds may have gotten a player with a higher upside. It will be interesting to see what happens if he continues to develop if he will have a position to play.
    Dickerson oozed tools. Sutton doesn't. Big difference between the two and the 'older prospect' situation.

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    Re: Drew Sutton

    Sutton's potentially useful mainly because he's a pretty accomplished switch-hitter, can play both infield and outfield (he's had some time in CF even) and can run. This gives him greater versatility than an already versatile guy like Rosales. His ability to hit LH makes him a nice counterpart to all of the 2B-SS-3B prospects in the system with the exception of Francisco. Very nice range of skills, and if he plays well at AAA he should be ready to contribute by next year, at the latest.

    It's clear that Jocketty & Co. value players with a ton of versatility -- e.g., Wilken Castillo and Sutton. Would be nice to see at least one these players on the club (prob. next year) playing for a manager who can deploy him effectively (not sure if that's Baker....)
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