Philip Hughes or Homer Bailey?

[fearofpopvol1]

Both are from the same class more or less and Hughes just pitched last night against a pretty darn good Detroit offense and gave up 0 runs, 2 hits , 2BB and 6Ks over 6 IP (the type of start Bailey has not matched at the show).

To be fair though, Hughes had previously struggled quite a bit at the show and has shown a propensity to injur easily.

So here's the question...at this very moment, who would you take, Bailey or Hughes and why? You can factor in upside or results or whatever, but the question is asking, who would you take right now?

[RedEye]

Hughes. I don't think his injury issues signal anything chronic, and I think he's a more polished pitcher than Homer. It's not really close right now.

[Bumstead]

Bailey. We have him and we don't have to try and trade for him. The Yankees wouldn't give up Hughes for Bailey (I don't think they would trade Hughes at all). In a dream world, I think it's a toss up; they have similar unrealized potential.

Bum

[redsmetz]

Bailey. We have him and we don't have to try and trade for him. The Yankees wouldn't give up Hughes for Bailey (I don't think they would trade Hughes at all). In a dream world, I think it's a toss up; they have similar unrealized potential.

This was my thought exactly, although I suspect that's not meant to be part of the equation. But as you note, it's part of the reality and it sways me. Also, while some haven't given this much credence this season, I think there has been a sea change in Bailey's maturity during the off-season. I think that will move his progress in the direction we've all been hoping for.

[dougdirt]

Bailey. Barely.
Bailey has the edge in stuff right now, even if he is inconsistent with it. His upside is just higher and I really feel he is on the brink of big things. Hughes still has plenty good stuff and his control is very good. I think he is likely to be the better pitcher in the near future, but I think Bailey will still be good during that time and is going to be the better pitcher over the long haul.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bailey. Barely.
Bailey has the edge in stuff right now, even if he is inconsistent with it. His upside is just higher and I really feel he is on the brink of big things. Hughes still has plenty good stuff and his control is very good. I think he is likely to be the better pitcher in the near future, but I think Bailey will still be good during that time and is going to be the better pitcher over the long haul.

I agree. It's close, but I like Bailey a little more.

[RedsManRick]

I cannot differentiate them sufficiently based on their talent. Stuff wise they both seem to have top of the rotation potential. Neither has a significant injury history. I'd take Hughes for the sole reason that there don't seem to be the coachability questions that surround Bailey. Even his ceiling is a touch higher, it seems that Bailey carries a much bigger chance of never becoming an established major leaguer.

[bucksfan2]

I cannot differentiate them sufficiently based on their talent. Stuff wise they both seem to have top of the rotation potential. Neither has a significant injury history. I'd take Hughes for the sole reason that there don't seem to be the coachability questions that surround Bailey. Even his ceiling is a touch higher, it seems that Bailey carries a much bigger chance of never becoming an established major leaguer.

Are Bailey's coachability's issues are a result of us Reds fans being closer to the situation than Hughes? Just curious, I just wonder if they are blown out of proportion because of his potential and his high exposure to Reds fans.

[TRF]

can I pick Cueto?

I picked Bailey.

Cueto's better than both of them though.

[OnBaseMachine]

can I pick Cueto?

I picked Bailey.

Cueto's better than both of them though.

I agree. But I'm happy to have both in the organization.

[dougdirt]

can I pick Cueto?

I picked Bailey.

Cueto's better than both of them though.

You can pick Cueto, but your vote won't count lol. I will still go out on a limb and take Baileys career over that of Cueto.

[TRF]

You can pick Cueto, but your vote won't count lol. I will still go out on a limb and take Baileys career over that of Cueto.

care to wager one of FCB's kids on that?

[gedred69]

You can pick Cueto, but your vote won't count lol. I will still go out on a limb and take Baileys career over that of Cueto.

Your evaluations are respected. I desire to know why you think so. The one thing that worries me about Cueto is his temperment. Is he prone to be a lesser Zambrano? Oh what he could be, but for that temper..........

[dougdirt]

Your evaluations are respected. I desire to know why you think so. The one thing that worries me about Cueto is his temperment. Is he prone to be a lesser Zambrano? Oh what he could be, but for that temper..........

Bailey has stuff that can be just as good if not better than Cueto. He isn't as consistent as Cueto is right now, which is why Cueto is better currently. However Cueto is short and works up in the zone. That leads to lots of fly balls and a higher number of HR's. Bailey is taller and works lower in the zone, leading to more grounders and fewer HR's. I just think Bailey will have a better peak and have more staying power after the age of 28.

As far as Cueto and Zambrano, I don't see the similarities. Cueto gets mad at himself, but Zambrano gets mad at everyone including himself. Huge difference there.

[acredsfan]

Bailey has stuff that can be just as good if not better than Cueto. He isn't as consistent as Cueto is right now, which is why Cueto is better currently. However Cueto is short and works up in the zone. That leads to lots of fly balls and a higher number of HR's. Bailey is taller and works lower in the zone, leading to more grounders and fewer HR's. I just think Bailey will have a better peak and have more staying power after the age of 28.

As far as Cueto and Zambrano, I don't see the similarities. Cueto gets mad at himself, but Zambrano gets mad at everyone including himself. Huge difference there.

It's kind of funny that someone compares Johnny to Carlos when I actually believe there are more similarities between Homer and Carlos. Both have the stuff to be successful, but the thing that makes them enigmas is what lies between the ears. I agree that Zambrano isn't a great comparison to Cueto, but I think he's oddly similar to Homer. Yeah, homer doesn't throw tantrums, but maturity even from game to game can be the difference between a shutout and a short outing. You just don't know what they are going to bring to the mound each day.

That said, Homer seems stable enough to gain control of himself and mature. Carlos is, well.... Carlos is Carlos.