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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    A few more?
    2002 = Burton, Kroski
    2003 = R. Gonzalez, Young
    Don't know how I missed Burton.

    R. Gonzalez is 2004. I forgot he was still around. Thought they had let him go. Terrel Young (also 2004) just came back.

    1996 = Barker
    1997 = Hairston, Jr., McDonald
    1998 = Hopper, Pettyjohn
    1999 = Harang, Phillips
    2000 = Encarnacion, Massett, Nix, Kennard
    2001 = Gomes
    2002 = Votto, Vazquez, Burton, Bankston, Kroski
    2003 = Dickerson, Thompson, Cumberland
    2004 = Bailey, Tatum, Janish, Valliquette, R. Gonzalez, Young, Bray, Sutton, Henry

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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Great class, especially the top 15 or so. Top five may be the best top five of the past decade.
    Certainly is hard to do better than that in terms of bats.

    My question is how many of them will make the HOF? Ultimately I chose Wright based on my conviction that he's going to Cooperstown.
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

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    Already taken.
    Sorry for my idiocy.

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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Certainly is hard to do better than that in terms of bats.

    My question is how many of them will make the HOF? Ultimately I chose Wright based on my conviction that he's going to Cooperstown.
    If Youklis manages to play 7 or 8 more years at a decently high level and wins another championship or two with Boston, I think he's the kinda guy that could sneak into the Hall on the veteran's committee under the "very good player, won lots of titles" exception.
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis
    6. Gavin Floyd
    7. Geovany Soto
    8. Dan Haren
    9. Andre Ethier
    10. Nick Markakis
    11. Mark Prior
    12. JJ Hardy
    13. Ian Kinsler
    14. Ricky Nolasco
    15. Dan Uggla
    16. Stephen Drew
    17. Ryan The Riot
    18. Chris Young (the outfielder)
    19. Zach Duke
    20. Manny Parra
    21. Jason Bartlett
    22. Khalil Green
    23. Edwin Jackson
    24. Scott Lewis
    25. Dave Bush
    26. Casey Kotchman
    27. J.P. Howell
    28. Jeremy Bonderman
    29. Luke Scott

    But who will be #30?
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis
    6. Gavin Floyd
    7. Geovany Soto
    8. Dan Haren
    9. Andre Ethier
    10. Nick Markakis
    11. Mark Prior
    12. JJ Hardy
    13. Ian Kinsler
    14. Ricky Nolasco
    15. Dan Uggla
    16. Stephen Drew
    17. Ryan The Riot
    18. Chris Young (the outfielder)
    19. Zach Duke
    20. Manny Parra
    21. Jason Bartlett
    22. Khalil Green
    23. Edwin Jackson
    24. Scott Lewis
    25. Dave Bush
    26. Casey Kotchman
    27. J.P. Howell
    28. Jeremy Bonderman
    29. Luke Scott
    30. Phil Humber

    Off to a rough start thus far, but a highly touted prospect for most of his pro years, and I'd have used him and his dominant first few years in the minors to make him the centerpiece in a deal for someone like, I don't know, Johan Santana.

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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis

    I think all five have a decent shot at the HOF. Wright and Mauer are on-track for sure. Howard came in late, but a decade's of seasons like his last three puts him in and Teixeira and Youk have outside shots.
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis

    I think all five have a decent shot at the HOF. Wright and Mauer are on-track for sure. Howard came in late, but a decade's of seasons like his last three puts him in and Teixeira and Youk have outside shots.
    Teix is a yankee now. If they win even one you can guarentee Teix be in regardless of what he does.
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis

    I think all five have a decent shot at the HOF. Wright and Mauer are on-track for sure. Howard came in late, but a decade's of seasons like his last three puts him in and Teixeira and Youk have outside shots.
    I vehemently disagree. David Wright is arguably the closest IMO for now. No one else is that close for me.

    But then again, I hold myself to a VERY high regard for the HOF. I don't really fear Teixeira or Howard that much. Those guys strike out too much for my liking. I think you've fallen in to the Yankee hysteria for Tex and Howard is a K machine.

    Joe Mauer has a chance if he stays healthy, which I doubt, and it's too early for Youk IMO. Wright is the best player on that list by far.

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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Let me re-state my hypothesis, then, as I wasn't clear.

    If they continue on in their respective careers-- looking at the way the Hall of Fame has operated over the past 30-50 years-- each of those five can make a case for HOF induction after they retire. This assumes, of course, typical career arcs with no catastrophic injuries to said players.

    David Wright, as of now, is probably in the Top Ten 3B of all time. He is a true five tool talent who plays in the largest market in the game, a huge advantage to HOF voters. Too, he's on a team that is likely to play for numerous WS titles, another huge advantage. Great numbers, great exposure, great team-- slam dunk choice.

    Mark Teixeira has also put up extremely good numbers in his career and is young enough to improve his counting stats to HOF caliber by the time he calls it a day. He's more than halfway there right now and with the short porch in the new Yankee Statdium, he should continue to slug. Also, he's won two Gold Gloves already and is likely to win more, as he too plays in the largest market in the game and is likely to play for many titles in the next ten years or so. (Playing in the AL, where he can DH occasionally is invaluable, IMO, to a candidacy.)

    Ryan Howard got started late, but his skill set is not based on speed. If he continues to hit the ball at the rate he's going, he's going to get votes. The trick is if he gets enough at-bats. Right now, he has a pretty good shot at 500 home runs by the time he retires. (Average HOF career retirement-- 38 and change, and Howard already has 180-ish, IIRC.) Plus, he's played on a WS title team in a large market and should continue to play for a good team for a while. (He's also likely to slip over to St. Louis, as that's where he's from, late in his career.) Adding a couple years of AL DH for a slight renaissance and he's HOF material. 15 of the top 25 career K leaders are absolute HOF members and another two or three are borderline candidates. K's indicate a long career, little else.

    Joe Mauer has numbers no catcher has ever put up while not on PEDs. His career is the most difficult to judge, as he's been injury-prone, has a troubling injury now, and will probably have to deal with these injuries as he continues to play. But, again, we're assuming health here. Mauer does get extra points for catching (and doing it well). Being able to DH helps him quite a bit, but he doesn't play in a large market, so his teams have to do well. Minnesota looks to be able to do that, by and large. (Too, I'm guessing he goes to another team soon. If he stays at catcher, he's Mickey Cochrane without the alcohol.

    Kevin Youklis is the toughest to call. His numbers don't scream HOF and he got started late so his counting stats won't be all that impressive. What is impressive is playing in the post-season six times already in his career and a reputation for clutch. (That in itself got Tony Perez elected, IMO.) He plays in Boston, which has more undeserving players in the Hall than any other team, aside from the Evil Empire. Writers tend to give the benefit of the doubt to team leaders as well, as Youk has that rep as well. I'm guessing he's a 1B, 3B, DH for another fifteen years, too, as his skillset either erodes quickly or stays forever. He keeps in good shape and should stay in Fenway, too, helping his numbers and his candidacy.
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    Re: Re-do a draft - 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    1. David Wright
    2. Mark Teixeira
    3. Ryan Howard
    4. Joe Mauer
    5. Kevin Youkilis
    6. Gavin Floyd
    7. Geovany Soto
    8. Dan Haren
    9. Andre Ethier
    10. Nick Markakis
    11. Mark Prior

    I will take the best talent in the draft at #11. Trade him after 2 years in the pro's for whatever I want.
    It might have turned out differently, since you're not the Cubs.


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