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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    A game like this should make us appreciate all the more just how well Cueto, Harang and the bullpen pitched the past couple days.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    6-0 Phillies

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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Mr. Ramirez chucking strikes. Like the change in narrative.
    Utley just chucked one out of the park. 6-0 Phils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    Utley just chucked one out of the park. 6-0 Phils.
    Prefer strikes to walking the pitcher.

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    Utley is just amazingly awesome.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I'm not going to claim that today's outing is proof that Owings should have been rested. Philly's tough on anybody, especially a righty with borderline stuff like Owings has. But I will say that I am not surprised by what has happened.

    My main objection is that the entire starting rotation could have been set up better from today through Saturday. And the BP could have been fortified by disabling Volquez and bringing up Fisher or another penner. They were short-staffed while Massett was hurt and still active, and they're right back to the same situation now because they're going to "wait and see" with Volquez. To me, it's a pattern of inaction, and I find it, if not the crime of the century, somewhat incriminating of the team's management.
    I don't recall seeing Lincoln or Burton since last Saturday. Volquez just came out and said he can't pitch yesterday. The apprehension to use the DL is that a guy is gone for two weeks. If the guy only needs to miss a start, it is just as much mismanagement to DL him. These are not debilitating injuries that the Reds are getting, yet there is this call for DLing minor, day to day injuries.

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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I'm not going to claim that today's outing is proof that Owings should have been rested. Philly's tough on anybody, especially a righty with borderline stuff like Owings has. But I will say that I am not surprised by what has happened.

    My main objection is that the entire starting rotation could have been set up better from today through Saturday. And the BP could have been fortified by disabling Volquez and bringing up Fisher or another penner. They were short-staffed while Massett was hurt and still active, and they're right back to the same situation now because they're going to "wait and see" with Volquez. To me, it's a pattern of inaction, and I find it, if not the crime of the century, somewhat incriminating of the team's management.

    There is a pattern of inaction on the team. The are DLing guys slowly and reluctantly. They should have flown a pitcher to San Diego, no good reason that they didn't. Agree with that.

    Just think that today's decision is more supportable. Most teams would have started Owings today. Reds have plenty of relievers available to spell him, no urgency to DL Volquez and bring up another one.

    And there is ample time to bring up Maloney or Bailey to pitch Saturday night.

    The big lesson of today's game IMO isn't so much roster mismanagement. It's that the Phils have a far better lineup than the Reds and, certainly without Votto and EE, the Reds are really no match for them most games.

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    So if Volquez can't go Saturday, somebody new has to come from AAA. Bailey or Maloney. I'm guessing Maloney.

    Who gets sent out? Could be Ramirez sent right back down to AAA. Or it could be Lincoln for some long toss DL time.

    Or Volquez could just go on the DL to make room for the new guy.
    Looks to me like Bailey will be on regular rest. I think Maloney is set to go tomorrow, Homer or Lecure (both pitched on Monday) on Saturday.

    Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I have no objection to Ramirez being used as a long man -- I think they need to carry a long man (and give him 3-inning save opportunities from time to time). But if they promote Bailey or Maloney -- and I think it's a lock they will -- they ought to do it by disabling Volquez, not by sending someone down while they *hope* Volquez gets better quickly. They've got to stop playing undermanned. Give the call-up a couple starts and give EV a couple weeks to work on rehabbing.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    My Goodness is Blanton cruising. Another scoreless inning. He's thrown 64 pitches, 47 for strikes.

    6-0 Phils after 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Looks to me like Bailey will be on regular rest. I think Maloney is set to go tomorrow, Homer or Lecure (both pitched on Monday) on Saturday.

    Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I have no objection to Ramirez being used as a long man -- I think they need to carry a long man (and give him 3-inning save opportunities from time to time). But if they promote Bailey or Maloney -- and I think it's a lock they will -- they ought to do it by disabling Volquez, not by sending someone down while they *hope* Volquez gets better quickly. They've got to stop playing undermanned. Give the call-up a couple starts and give EV a couple weeks to work on rehabbing.

    I agree absolutely. I would not mess around with Volquez. V seems to know this himself, he suggested that he should miss a start.

    Also agree that the team has to start having 25 available players. Hate to upset anyone, but if they think Votto needs another week to recover, they should DL him too. Hopefully he can be back sooner and it won't be needed.

    I would like to see the Reds have a lefty fifth starter. Their main starters are right handed, a lefty starter would help against some teams - like the Phils. Tough to pick and choose a pitcher's starting slots, but it would add an element.

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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Half through this one. 6-0 Phils.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    First inning that the Phillies didn't score.

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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Volquez just came out and said he can't pitch yesterday.
    Tweaked it in his last start on the 17th. Red flag should go up.

    Couldn't warm up yesterday -- threw 2 pitches. Does that indicate a minor injury? I don't see how we can feel sure of that.

    What's the responsible approach for the health of the pitcher? Because the health of the pitcher is far more important than keeping alive the hope you can squeeze a start out of him before he would have come off the DL. The answer is to disable him. It should have happened by today's game. Louisville is 2 hours away.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Reds got it cookin in the 5th with leadoff singles by Hanigan and Janish.
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    Re: 5/21/09 - Reds vs Phillies

    Hanigan and Janish with back to back singles to start the bottom of the 5th.


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