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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I disagree with that. I think Harang's stuff has looked just fine. It looks the same to me as it did two years ago. He currently has a 15 BB/61 K ratio, so he's obviously doing something right.


    Of eleven starts this year, Harang has had good results six times, bad results, four times, marginal results once. Two of his bad outings and his marginal outing were all against Houston. His other two bad ones were at SD and at Milwaukee.

    His home ERA is 2.84 his road ERA is 5.87.

    Harang did better in April than in May.

    Strikes me that he's pitched well, just that certain matchups have caused him more trouble than others, particularly on the road. Pretty good, not dominant.

    His last two outings have been marginal and bad. Hopefully it's not a trend and he comes back strong next time.
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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Harang entered last night with a 3.36 ERA, which was good enough for 13th in the NL. He had a bad night, it happens. He's back to his normal self, which is 200+ innings of above average baseball and being one of the more underrated pitchers in baseball, especially in the eyes of his own fanbase.
    I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher or not valuable to the Reds.

    What I am saying is that he's not a true staff ace. Since every team in baseball has a #1 pitcher, Harang is by default our #1 pitcher.

    But in reality, there's not 30 true staff aces out there. There's probably only 1/2 that number, maybe even less.

    IMO, for the Reds to finally turn the corner and leave the lost decade as a memory of the past, they need a true staff ace. As I previously said, maybe that could be Cueto or Volquez, but we just don't know yet.

    I think we know about Harang that he's a good pitcher, but he's not a true staff ace, but he still has plenty of value to the Reds.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    That says more about how bad the staff has been over the last few years than it does the posters.
    Bingo

    Harang has been great for us, but he hasn't been enough, and that's not his fault.

    We just need more and better pitching to compliment Harang, Cueto and Volquez.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    That says more about how bad the staff has been over the last few years than it does the posters.
    That's funny! To each his own. The Reds could run Sandy Koufax out every night and some of the posters would find something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    That's funny! To each his own. The Reds could run Sandy Koufax out every night and some of the posters would find something wrong.
    Of course! Don't you know that Dusty is overworking Sandy?
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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC View Post
    That's funny! To each his own. The Reds could run Sandy Koufax out every night and some of the posters would find something wrong.
    If the Reds ran Koufax out there every night, I'd complain that they pitched him on no rest...

    The Reds could run Walter Johnson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove and Warren Spahn out there as a 5 man rotation and I'm sure I'd continue to gripe about not giving those 5 guys enough run support.

    We knew the offense was going to be pathetic this year, which meant the pitching had to be that much better.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    If the Reds ran Koufax out there every night, I'd complain that they pitched him on no rest...

    The Reds could run Walter Johnson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove and Warren Spahn out there as a 5 man rotation and I'm sure I'd continue to gripe about not giving those 5 guys enough run support.

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    I would gripe that the members of your 5 man rotation are more used to being in a 4 man rotation.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    If the Reds ran Koufax out there every night, I'd complain that they pitched him on no rest...

    The Reds could run Walter Johnson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove and Warren Spahn out there as a 5 man rotation and I'm sure I'd continue to gripe about not giving those 5 guys enough run support.

    We knew the offense was going to be pathetic this year, which meant the pitching had to be that much better.
    The Reds are 9th in the NL in runs scored; 6th in the NL in ERA. Neither one is bringing home any trophies anytime soon.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher or not valuable to the Reds.

    What I am saying is that he's not a true staff ace. Since every team in baseball has a #1 pitcher, Harang is by default our #1 pitcher.

    But in reality, there's not 30 true staff aces out there. There's probably only 1/2 that number, maybe even less.

    IMO, for the Reds to finally turn the corner and leave the lost decade as a memory of the past, they need a true staff ace. As I previously said, maybe that could be Cueto or Volquez, but we just don't know yet.

    I think we know about Harang that he's a good pitcher, but he's not a true staff ace, but he still has plenty of value to the Reds.
    Funny, I saw him referred to as just that after his gem against Philadelphia. It seems, as strange as that may sound, that fans may be fickle

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Our pitching, while much improved, is simply not enough to offset this middle-tier offense that has it's holes. It hasn't helped this offense that Votto has been in and out, Bruce has shown such inconsistency, and EE is DL'd.

    Personally, from what I've seen so far, we are a better ball club, but we'll fall short in the long run. But it certainly is better then what we've ran out there in this decade. It's definitely something for Walt to build on (tweek).
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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Our pitching, while much improved, is simply not enough to offset this middle-tier offense that has it's holes. It hasn't helped this offense that Votto has been in and out, Bruce has shown such inconsistency, and EE is DL'd.

    Personally, from what I've seen so far, we are a better ball club, but we'll fall short in the long run. But it certainly is better then what we've ran out there in this decade. It's definitely something for Walt to build on (tweek).
    Well said. Good summary.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate39 View Post
    Man I'm glad I wasn't around here in 2001. When the pitching staff was actually bad. I can't imagine what was said about that staff
    We'd most likely see the same members complaining about the pitching and the same members defending the pitching staff.



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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The Reds are 9th in the NL in runs scored; 6th in the NL in ERA. Neither one is bringing home any trophies anytime soon.
    9+6=15 (How many clubs are better?)

    Look, I'll be the 1st to say that at the above rankings, the Reds aren't bringing home any World Series trophies..but that is the recipe for an above .500 club, which I'd say at seasons start was an optimistic yet realistic goal. No gripes from me at this point in the year at 9th in runs and 6th in ERA. How many teams sum up to less than 15 is my question (The Reds are probably top 1/3 of the NL is my guess) . I think all things considered, this team, if anything, has outperformed expectations. What is wrong with acknowleging that without the addition of a snide jab.

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    Of course! Don't you know that Dusty is overworking Sandy?
    We'd spend the first six years of Koufax's career complaining about his losing record, his wildness and how he seems to be regressing. Why can't we trade him for a proven 15-game winner like Milt Pappas?

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    Re: Buster Olney says Reds looking for outfield help!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The Reds are 9th in the NL in runs scored; 6th in the NL in ERA. Neither one is bringing home any trophies anytime soon.
    The ballpark has something to do with that too: ERA+ 112, OPS+ 92. The pitching has been significantly better than the hitting so far.

    I really feel like the hitting was due to slip too even before Votto went out, with Votto, Phillips, Hairston, Nix, Hanigan all performing above expectations (and just EdE and Gonzalez due for improvements).

    It's not that I think the pitching is anything amazing, IMO it will end the year as an average to slightly above average bunch, but I think that will be enough to make the Reds significantly better at preventing runs than scoring them.


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