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    Long Beach St and Kentucky tied 37-37 at the half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache View Post
    Again, what would you have wanted Calipari to do to prevent Marcus Camby from taking on an agent unbeknown to anybody, slumber with him for 24 hours a day? What was Calipari supposed to do when the NCAA Clearinghouse CLEARED Derrick Rose? Time travel to later on to see the Clearinghouse messed up, and decide not to offer Rose a scholarship?

    And yes, I defended him the same before he ever got the UK job, this came up (though not NEARLY like it does now) while he was at Memphis, while everyone twiddled their thumbs at Roy Williams leaving Kansas as he did in a similar timeframe.
    Enjoy the ride. Great times don't come along too often and are awfully fun to watch. Unfortunately the odds are stacked against UK with regards to Calipari's track record. UK got into bed with a snake oil salesman, hopefully he doesn't bite them the same way he bit Memphis or UMass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Enjoy the ride. Great times don't come along too often and are awfully fun to watch. Unfortunately the odds are stacked against UK with regards to Calipari's track record. UK got into bed with a snake oil salesman, hopefully he doesn't bite them the same way he bit Memphis or UMass.
    I agree, Kentucky will probably go to multiple final fours and probably win a championship or two but it will not end well with Calipari.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache View Post
    Again, what would you have wanted Calipari to do to prevent Marcus Camby from taking on an agent unbeknown to anybody, slumber with him for 24 hours a day? What was Calipari supposed to do when the NCAA Clearinghouse CLEARED Derrick Rose? Time travel to later on to see the Clearinghouse messed up, and decide not to offer Rose a scholarship?

    And yes, I defended him the same before he ever got the UK job, this came up (though not NEARLY like it does now) while he was at Memphis, while everyone twiddled their thumbs at Roy Williams leaving Kansas as he did in a similar timeframe.
    Don't waste the ones and zeros on the haters. Haters aren't interested in the specifics (FACTS) of the respective situations at UMASS and Memphis, they're interested in hating.

    Personally, I love UK being hated again.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Don't waste the ones and zeros on the haters. Haters aren't interested in the specifics (FACTS) of the respective situations at UMASS and Memphis, they're interested in hating.

    Personally, I love UK being hated again.
    Two times Cal took a team to the final 4, left for a much better job, only to see that school vacate its final four appearance after he signed with another school/team. History repeats itself, and with Cal that history isn't good. If it were just one such violation I wouldn't put too much stock in it, two is a different story. Its similar to Indiana hiring Sampson, you knew he broke the rules before what makes you think he won't break them again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Two times Cal took a team to the final 4, left for a much better job, only to see that school vacate its final four appearance after he signed with another school/team. History repeats itself, and with Cal that history isn't good. If it were just one such violation I wouldn't put too much stock in it, two is a different story. Its similar to Indiana hiring Sampson, you knew he broke the rules before what makes you think he won't break them again?
    Except Cal didn't break any rules. Unlike Sampson.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    I'm a little worried the Cats couldn't put away Long Beach sooner. It obviously was a good test for the Cats but still not sure we are worthy of our current ranking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMR View Post
    Except Cal didn't break any rules. Unlike Sampson.
    Just a coincidence then that 2 final fours were voided? It happened on his watch right? Even if he did not personally break any rules, his "culture", the way he runs a program, set the tone for rules to be broken. Good luck with Calipari.
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    Just a coincidence then that 2 final fours were voided? It happened on his watch right? Even if he did not personally break any rules, his "culture", the way he runs a program, set the tone for rules to be broken. Good luck with Calipari.
    I hate UK and hope this comes true. However, I'm growing quite tired of this debate. Maybe you weren't involved originally but this has been discussed/debated excessively since Cal was first hired. This has reached "dead horse" status and is bogging down a decent thread. You're not going to convince UK fans and they're not going to convince you so there is little sense in debating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    I hate UK and hope this comes true. However, I'm growing quite tired of this debate. Maybe you weren't involved originally but this has been discussed/debated excessively since Cal was first hired. This has reached "dead horse" status and is bogging down a decent thread. You're not going to convince UK fans and they're not going to convince you so there is little sense in debating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    I hate UK and hope this comes true. However, I'm growing quite tired of this debate. Maybe you weren't involved originally but this has been discussed/debated excessively since Cal was first hired. This has reached "dead horse" status and is bogging down a decent thread. You're not going to convince UK fans and they're not going to convince you so there is little sense in debating it.
    I was not around for the first debate. I understand where UK fans are with this, I tried to rationalize Sampsons hire at IU too.
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    If you can't understand the difference between Sampson and Calipari's past issues (and are being serious; not just posting crap to rile up people).. that in itself ends any discussion I'm willing to have about it.

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    While I think most of the Calipari criticism is thinly veiled envy...Kentucky has never operated under the pretense that it was about college sports or student-athletes or playing by the rules. It's always been about maintaining what amounts to a professional team. And most UK fans have never hidden that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Playadlc View Post
    While I think most of the Calipari criticism is thinly veiled envy...Kentucky has never operated under the pretense that it was about college sports or student-athletes or playing by the rules. It's always been about maintaining what amounts to a professional team. And most UK fans have never hidden that fact.
    That's the kinda of crap spewed by those veiling the envy. Loosier fans love to throw little nuggets like this as truth to cover the fact that their school is sliding past irrelevance and into oblivion.

    Fact is, since the regrettable Eddie Sutton bottle era, Kentucky has run a very tight ship under the watch of compliance officer Sandy Bell. The least minor "secondary violation" is turned in - things that even the most "saintly" schools wouldn't even bother with - like monitoring associated fan sites. She's constantly educating fans and sending out pre-emptive warnings again things like taking/publishing pictures of recruits on visits or chanting their names at Midnight Madness. Bell vetted Cal closely before the job was offered and you can be sure had she said no - Calipari would not be at UK now.

    Giliespie wanted to recruit several prospectss, but Bell/Barnhart nixed them. Maybe if IU had someone like Bell in place, IU would not be coming off a probation of their own.

    The CATS student-athlete support center has been a model since the mid-70s. All classroom attendance is monitored and any unexcused miss of a class costs players in running at practice and playing time if it is repeated.

    UK's Football and Basketball teams are consistently among the leaders in All-SEC & NCAA Academic members. The basketball team's cumulative GPA for the past three years was 3.0+. John Wall is most certainly one and done and financially set for life, but he hasn't missed a class and carried a 3.8 GPA his first semester. Patrick Patterson, despite being the star player at a school that "has never operated under the pretense that it was about college sports or student-athletes or playing by the rules," returned for his JUNIOR season to graduate in three years (as much as to play in the NCAA Tourney).

    Also, thanks largely to a loyal football following and the success of its basketball program, UK is one of the few athletic departments that run ay a surplus and actually gives money annually to the school's general scholarship fund.

    Yeah, IU fans love to talk about what a cheater Cal is, no matter that the vacated title @ UMass was vacated because when he found out Camby had illegal contact with an agent he turned his own program in.

    Oh yeah, it doesn't matter a bit that Cal's program at Memphis was among the top in graduation rate. He's nothing but a cheater becasue he played a kid that was fully cleared by the NCAA's clearinghouse.

    In the past, I wouldn't have responded to an IU baiting post - they're irrelevant and pathetic. But after their hero's recent ESPN display of jealousy (RMK tried to campaign for the UKjob after BCG left but had the door slammed on him) and the classless chanting at Assembly Hall recently, I didn't feel like letting it slide .

    Honestly though, any fanbase that can hold it's nose and revere a sorry sociopathic tub of crap like RMK really shouldn't be acting holier-than-thou or chastising any other fanbase. Oh wait, I forgot...Bobbie Knight was a great roll model for young peo...
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    Re: 2009 Kentucky Wildcats Men's Basketball - 4th edition

    Maybe my initial post was a little harsh, but you hired Calipari.

    With UK's history of violations (most penalized program in NCAA history) and their problems with UK boosters, they should have chosen a coach that runs a squeaky clean program and doesn't tolerate even stretching the rules. They didn't do that. They hired Calipari, who at the very least turned his head while major violations were occurring with and around his program. With UK's history, it's a potential disaster.
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