Except most of the high end HS kids, who go to Dayton their first full year. Jay Bruce and Travis Wood were 1st and 2nd rounders who went to Dayton their first full season. Kyle Lotzkar and Devin Mesoraco in 2008 as first rounders.Originally Posted by Scrap Irony
Its not a big jump to believe that they will wind up in Dayton. If each guy holds their head above water in the GCL it would surprise me if they weren't in Dayton.
Agreed, it's pretty impressive they will (hopefully) have signed their first 16 picks. I can't remember the last time they did that. I would gladly substitute Marrero or Perez for several of the guys that signed, but of course you can't win 'em all- those two were the most obvious non-signees the minute they were drafted.
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Last year, the Reds signed their top 14 picks and 26 of their first 27. Only the infamous 15th rd pick Eric Pfisterer didn't sign. That was pretty impressive.
Howington & Grueler (though a different regime, and perhaps a poor example given their health issues) also spent their first full season in Dayton out of HS.
It wouldn't surprise me to see them in Billings next year, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them in Dayton next year either. Alot probalby depends on how they handle the GCL this year, but its not a given they'll start in Billings.
What is better for an 18 year olds overall development, assuming they've got a tool set ready to handle low A pitching... a half a season in instructional league then a half a season in rookie ball, or a full season in low A against not only stronger competition, but w/ the pressure of trying to compete in the standings all season long, and fans in the stand all season long?
I don't know the answer to that question, if there is even one, but a high level prospect playing his age 18/19 season (or 17 in Yorman's case) can't be all that unheard of. Given their draft spot/signing bonuses, one would have to assume them to be high level prospects and at worst worthy of consideration for Low A ball next year. Heck if Yorman and Duran are the high end major league talent like Carlos Beltran, Vlad, etc that they've been comped to and we all hope/pray they turn into one day they'll be in the majors at 21. A season in Low A at 18, a season in High A at 19, a seaosn at AA/AAA at 20, up to the majors sometime when they're 21.
Of course that's ambitious, and perhaps unrealistic when you compare any 17 year old kid to what we know Vlad and Carlos are today, but if they've got that level of talent, Dayton is a real possibility, and they'll show that they belong there despite their youth.
I was surprised to see Stewart sign. A few weeks ago he made a comment that he would probably not sign. The Reds must have made a decent offer.
It appears as if the Reds will sign all of their top 15 picks. According to the Reds website, they are moving closers to deal with Leake and Boxberger. That leaves only Tucker Barnhart and he's already said he will sign. Pick 16, 17, 18 probably won't sign but ya never know.
From Gammons:
If Gammons has the details off, could this be about Tucker Barnhart. If so I am ticked, because big market teams do whatever they want, and small market teams are stuck in Bud Selig's pit of yuck.The commissioner's's office refuses to sign off on the signing of an unnamed fourth round pick (of a "small-market Central Division team") because the player and the team agreed to a contract above the commissioner's recommendation.
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Seriously.
Bud's strangely silent with the Yankees and the Sox dole out huge dollars to free agents, but wants to crap all over a small market team for trying to build through the draft?
That's total B.S. if true.
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Barnhart wasn't a 4th round pick. Just wants 4th round money.
Thanks for the correction, because if you re read what I wrote you will see the qualifier "if Gammons has the details off". But again thanks for the correction.
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IIRC, Mesoraco went from GCL to Dayton, even after struggling in the GCL.
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They reported this in today's Enquirer, so perhaps the list could be updated:
FOUR MORE SIGNED: The Reds signed their fifth-, seventh-, 19th- and 22nd-round draft picks:
• No. 5 Dan Tuttle, a right-handed high school pitcher from Randleman, N.C.
• No. 7 Josh Fellhauer, a center fielder from Cal State-Fullerton.
• No. 19 Mitchell Clarke, a left-handed high school pitcher for Ontario, Canada.
• No. 22 David Stewart, a junior-college first baseman.
[edit: I see Fellhauer & Clarke are already bolded]
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Could be Zack Dodson on Pitt as well.
Can we get the first post updated?
Here's what the updated list should look like.
1. Mike Leake, RHP ASU
1A. Brad Boxberger, RHP USC
2. Billy Hamilton SS-CF Taylorsville HS
3. Donny Joseph LHP-Reliever U of Houston
4. Mark Fleury C UNC Chapel Hill
5. Daniel Tuttle RHP Randleman HS
6. Mark Serrano RHP Oral Roberts
7. Josh Fellhauer CF Cal State Fullerton
8. Juan Silva CF Puerto Rican BB Acad.
9. Brian Pearl RHP-Reliever U Washington
10. Tucker Barnhart C Brownsburg HS LOI Ga. Tech
11. Harold Johnson RHP Trinity Christian Acad.
12. Josh Garton RF Volunteer State CC
13. Nick Christiani RHP Vanderbilt
14. Tim Crabbe RHP Westmont Col.
15. James Walczak RHP Mercyhurst Col.
16. Chase Fowler C South Forsythe HS
17. Devin Marrerro SS Amer. Heritage HS
18. Stephen Perez SS Gulliver Prep School
19. Mitchell Clarke LHP Forrest Hts Collegiate Inst. Kitchener, Ontario, Canada (HS)
20. Matt Valaika 2B USC Santa Barbara
21. Jonathan Reed RHP Memorial HS Ok
22. David Stewart 1B Grayson CCC
23. Chris Richburg 1B Texas Tech
24. Derrick Lowery 1B Young Harris College
25. Michael Monster RHP Rutland Secondary School British Columbia
26. Vernon Manz C U of Sou. Fla.
27. Stefan DePino LHP Dorman HS SC
28. Derek Poppert SS U of SF Jr.
29. Jason Braun RHP Corban College Oregon Sr.
30. Yovan Gonzalez C Wabash Valley Jr College Puerto Rico
31. Adian Kummet RHP St. Scholastica Div III
32. Shane Carlson SS UC Santa Barbara
33. William Stramp 3B Lubbock Christian NAIA
34. Forest Cannon RHP UC Santa Barbara
35. Oliver Santos 3B U South Carolina Salkehatchie JC
36. Chris Burleson SS U of Southern Maine Div III
37. Dayne Read CF Chipola JC
38. Thomas Nurre 1B St. Xavier HS/Miami University Jr.
39. Paul Barton RHP Kwalikum HS
40. Michael Robertson CF Bellevue CC
41. Jacob Wiley RHP Marist College Sr.
42. Blair Carson RHP Anderson University in SC
43. Richard Bowen RHP Mississippi State U
44. Javon Shepherd CF Navarro College Jr.
45. Brian Adams CF South Forsythe HS Georgia
46. Timothy Dunn RHP Trevecca Nazarene U.
47. Jason Hampton RHP Rockland HS (CA)
48. Kenny Swab C Young Harris College Jr.
49. Darion Hamilton CF Taylorsville HS Mississippi
50. Chris Page 1B Genesee CC NY Jr.
I doubt that anyone dislikes the NE corridor bias as much as I do. I thought the Reds strategy of drafting players previously thought to be unsignable and offering them over slot money was an excellent way to compete as a small market team. The international market strategy was good as well. It seems to me that other teams are adopting the same strategy now, particularly with the emphasis being placed on growing your own talent. I can almost give the commissioner the benefit of a doubt in this case, however, as long as he is consistent in applying it.
Over slot contracts tend to undermine the system over time. Eventually, the large market team will overwhelm the small market teams if contracts stray too far from slot. Small market teams will be pushed into the position of drafting players that either have little bargaining leverage or are perceived to be less talented than their draft position indicates. This year, I think the Pirates did this with Sanchez and the Nationals with Storen. Both players were signed immediately.
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