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    The Reds offense or lack of offense should I say!

    This Reds team has done a great job at staying in contention with no offense. I hope Bob and Walt looks at what this team has done and decides to get them a couple of bats to add to the offense. I believe that is all this team needs to make the playoffs. If the Reds can stay 1 1/2 out with this offense just think what they could do when Votto comes back then if they add say DeRosa and Dye. This team would be the best in the NL and maybe baseball. Look at the lineup.
    c- Hernandez
    1B- Votto
    2B- Phillips
    3B- DeRosa
    SS- Gonzo or Hairston Jr.
    LF- Dye
    CF- Taveraz or dickerson but we all know the great manager that Dusty is will play Taveras
    RF- Bruce
    Thats not a bad lineup. But in order to make the playoffs the Reds need a offense this team now just doesnt have one right now.

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    I think it is a stretch to assume that Votto will get back and stay back. The guy has "problems" His absence from this team is hurting the offense.

    The management is not doing anything to correct the offensive problem. The pitching staff will start to "press" knowing they will have to almost pitch a shut-out in order to have a chance to win, and they will begin to pitch worse. It will be a downward tailspin.
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    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    i dont think we have the money to buy or the total package to compete this season so i hope we will see these trades:

    Reds trade SP Aaron Harang to the Philadelphia Phillies for LF Michael Taylor and RHP Carlos Carrasco

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    Reds trade SP Bronson Arroyo and SS Alex Gonzalez to the New York Mets for RHP Jenrry Mejia, SS Ruben Tejada, and a PTBNL (we pick up half of a-gon's contract)

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    Reds trade 3B Edwin Encarnacion (if healthy and produces when he returns) to the San Francisco Giants for SS Ehire Adrianza and LHP Scott Barnes

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    Why these trades work?
    Aaron Harang trade works because it's well know that the Phillies need a starting pitcher and like Harang. It also gives us a legit power hitting young LF, plus a power arm in the starting rotation.

    The Mets also need a starting pitcher but also need a fill in veteran shortstop until Reyes is able to come back. In return we get an up and coming very young SS who can field and hit really well plus a 20 year old starting pitcher who is already in AA.

    Edwin Encarnacion has worn out his welcome here and we ALL know the Giants are in love with this guy plus they need another bat in their lineup. In return we get another young true shortstop and lefty starter who has a nasty changeup.

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    IF we make those trades not only would it be smart economically but also for future trades. If we are able to get some at least mid-level prospects for Harang, EE, Arroyo: it will allow us in the future to be able to pull off big deals easily without selling all our solid minor league players. Also allows Yonder Alonso to take his time developing as a future everyday player or a key piece of trade bait.

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    2010 Lineup:
    1. CF Taveras/Stubbs/Dickerson (let them duke it out in ST)
    2. SS Ruben Tejada (he is ready now as long as he does well in ST and the rest of 2009)
    3. 1B Joey Votto
    4. 2B Brandon Phillips
    5. RF Jay Bruce
    6. LF Michael Taylor
    7. 3B Juan Francisco
    8. C Ramon Hernandez
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    Starting Rotation:
    1. Johnny Cueto
    2. Edinson Volquez
    3. Homer Bailey
    4. Matt Maloney
    5. Carlos Carrasco/Micah Owings/Scott Barnes/Zach Stewart/Travis Wood (once again let them duke it out the rest of 2009 and ST)

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    If Votto comes back, and Nix and Gomes continue to hit as platoon players, the Reds only need one more bat to be at least average offensively. I think Hairston will eventually get hot again. If Taveras stay below .240 and Dickerson shows he can hit, maybe Dusty will let CD paly more. As bad as the Reds offense looks, they are about in the middle of the NL in runs scored and HR's. But when you factor in that GABP is a hitter's park, and Votto is out now, it looks a lot worse.

    I think trading Arroyo would be the move if anyone wanted him. Is there a reason he would appeal to certain teams?

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    if votto comes back, i wouldnt expect him to just up and start from where he left off. same with EE, EE wasnt really hitting before he went out was he?

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    The sad part about this is that this division is there to be had this year. The Reds have given us all reason to be hopeful, and I'm really glad they seem to be heading in the right direction as an organization, but along the way they have also squandered about 6-8 games they flat-out should have won so far if they just had decent (not even great) offensive production.

    I'm really worried that the FO is sitting back and using the fact that they're only a couple of games out of first as reason not to make a move. They need to be pro-active.
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    10 total runs in four games. They could easily be 4-0 right now on this road trip, especially if Votto was playing. If they can muster out the next one or two and get him back, I can see them being in first (maybe second) in the division going into the ASG.
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    We suck ridiculously bad right now. I just would like to know if it was our side that vetoed the Dye deal before the year. If so, thats firing worthy stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisvilleCARDS View Post
    We suck ridiculously bad right now. I just would like to know if it was our side that vetoed the Dye deal before the year. If so, thats firing worthy stupidity.
    Well, this team is unbearable to watch right now. Two weeks ago I was watching every game with passion. Now they are unbearable and pretty boring to watch (even when they win). My wife and I have to bring our daughter to a Dr. in Cincy on Tuesday night. We were planning to spend the night and go to the game. Now I feel like we will just go to the Dr., get a bite to eat, and come on home. Why should we waste our time and money on this crap?

    What is really sad is that when the ptiching staff gives up anywhere from 2-4 per game it IS doing its job. Why isn't Dusty trying to light a fire under the offense's ass? Why is Jocketty sitting back and watching what could be a "decent" season go to waste by not making any moves? And for the love of God someone needs to smack some testosterone into Votto and get his butt back in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fewfirstchoice View Post
    I hope Bob and Walt looks at what this team has done and decides to get them a couple of bats to add to the offense.
    The problem I see are both Jocketty and Castellini being a little hesitant to make a trade to bring in a big bat and standing pat while the Reds slowly fade away. Hopefully they won't unload payroll if the Reds do fall out of it.

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    Here is one of the more improbable stats of all-time. Willy Taveras in his last 29 at-bats has an OPS of .000. That is not a typo. He has trudged up to the plate 29 consecutive times and has gotten neither a hit nor a walk nor even been hit by a pitch. That has to be close to a major league record. 29 times in a row someone has stood at the plate and not gotten on in any manner or form. When you consider how many bunt hits and infield hits Taveras gets that is almost impossible for me to believe that that could happen. Pretty sweet from your leadoff hitter. Which, naturally, is where Dusty likes to bat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    The sad part about this is that this division is there to be had this year. The Reds have given us all reason to be hopeful, and I'm really glad they seem to be heading in the right direction as an organization, but along the way they have also squandered about 6-8 games they flat-out should have won so far if they just had decent (not even great) offensive production.

    I'm really worried that the FO is sitting back and using the fact that they're only a couple of games out of first as reason not to make a move. They need to be pro-active.
    One thing I don't think a lot of people is considering is this... does this team have what it takes to go deep into the playoffs? If yes, then trading for a bat or two would make sense. If no, then why mortgage the future just to win the NL Central? I highly doubt if the wild-card winner will come out of the NL Central.

    I say wait things out. See where we are mid-July and then decide whether or not to make a move. As you said above... the division is there to be had this year. If that's the case, the Reds should be able to stay in contention as they are right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Here is one of the more improbable stats of all-time. Willy Taveras in his last 29 at-bats has an OPS of .000. That is not a typo. He has trudged up to the plate 29 consecutive times and has gotten neither a hit nor a walk nor even been hit by a pitch. That has to be close to a major league record. 29 times in a row someone has stood at the plate and not gotten on in any manner or form. When you consider how many bunt hits and infield hits Taveras gets that is almost impossible for me to believe that that could happen. Pretty sweet from your leadoff hitter. Which, naturally, is where Dusty likes to bat him.
    Although I don't have the numbers to prove it, I highly doubt if that's even close to a major league record.

    Numbers tend to trend back towards the middle, so we might as well ride out this cold streak and take advantage of the hot streak to come. Unless, of course, he's injured and we don't know about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Foster View Post
    I think it is a stretch to assume that Votto will get back and stay back. The guy has "problems" His absence from this team is hurting the offense.
    Unless you're a member of Votto's inner circle, you don't have any evidence to support this statement. He's eligible to come off the DL tomorrow. Why don't you save your judgment for his performance when he does return?


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