Unfortunately, we need to continue to improve the pitching AND the defense, if we're not going to address the offense.
Best case scenario, we address all 3.
Worst case, I hope we address the pitching, and then figure out which of the other 2 is easier to address.
Sorry, Perez moved from 3b to 1b when we got Menke.
Last edited by George Anderson; 06-21-2009 at 06:40 PM.
"Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard
Code:ERRORS YEAR E PCT RANGE A AGE G 1 Tony Perez 1970 35 .923 2.73 286 28 153 2 Tony Perez 1969 32 .937 2.99 342 27 160 3 Mike Shannon 1967 29 .919 2.68 239 27 122 T4 Ron Santo 1969 27 .947 2.99 334 29 160 T4 Ron Santo 1970 27 .945 3.05 320 30 152 6 Ron Santo 1967 26 .957 3.60 393 27 161 T7 Tony Perez 1968 25 .952 3.09 343 26 160 T7 Coco Laboy 1969 25 .944 2.71 307 29 156 T7 Doug Rader 1969 25 .945 2.81 307 24 154 10 Maury Wills 1967 24 .948 3.06 343 34 144
I have the 75 WS on DVD, and as I've watched those games I thought... "Man! If we had today's game thread on those games it would be merciless."
A couple years back at Redsfest I got to meet Lee May, who was one of my favorite Reds. He's a class act too. The guy has the biggest set of hands I have ever seen on a man, and even at his age his handshake crushed my hand.Even the trade that brought Morgan was unpopular when it happened - Tommy Helms and the Big Bopper for Morgan and Billingham?? You're kidding right? A true slugger and gold glove second sacker for a little bitty base stealer and Billingham - a mediocre looking pitcher. How the heck does THAT deal make the team better?
But even all these many years later, after that "trade", I apologized to Lee for them trading him. :
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
Yep, part of the reason Cincinnati struggled so mightily is that two-thirds of the game-- defense and pitching-- was almost completely ignored or hopes were pinned on prayers that had little to no chance at success.
That's not on the players at all either. That's all about the front office. Looking at the team from 2001- til last year you could make the assertion that they owned at least two guys each year who were Bottom Five with the leather in their respective positions.
2001: Todd Walker, Dmitri Young, Junior
2002: Walker, Dunn, Larkin
2003: Dunn, Larkin, Jiminez
2004: Dunn, Junior
2005: Aurillia, Lopez, Junior, Dunn
2006: Ross, Lopez, Junior, Dunn, EdE
2007: Ross, EdE, Junior, Dunn
None of this mentions slightly below average defenders like LaRue, Jimenez, Hamilton, Guillen and others playing out of position.
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