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    Volquez Worse than expected!

    Didn't see this anywhere, kind of bothersome!

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    Volquez injury worse than believed
    By Hal McCoy
    Staff Writer

    Updated 1:32 AM Thursday, June 25, 2009
    TORONTO — Edinson Volquez, a 17-game winner for the Cincinnati Reds last year but only a four-game winner so far this season, won’t be seeking a fifth win until after the All-Star break.

    He and the Reds received the disturbing news Wednesday that inflammation remains in his forearm and that his throwing program has been put on hold until further notice.

    Volquez had planned to pitch off a mound this week, but a second MRI revealed the inflammation and medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek shut him down. Another examination is scheduled for Tuesday.

    “The second MRI revealed there still is a significant amount of swelling,” said trainer Mark Mann. “The first MRI was not the clearest because of swelling, which is why we followed up with a second MRI before we’d let him advance to the mound.”

    The inflammation is in the forearm muscle where it attaches to the muscle and while manager Dusty Baker said he was told there is some sort of partial tear, there is no ligament damage.

    “When you are talking about a starting pitcher and the time he has missed off the mound (he last pitched June 1), then when you talk about side and bullpen sessions and a rehab assignment, just to build his pitch count, I’d say, yes, you are looking beyond the All-Star break for his return,” said Mann.

    “Guess things were a little more serious than anticipated,” said Baker. “It is not serious enough to operate. It’s not in the ligament.”

    Taveras, Rosales sit

    Baker tinkered with his lineup for Wednesday’s game, benching center fielder Willy Taveras and third baseman Adam Rosales in favor of Chris Dickerson in center (and leading off) and Danny Richar at third base.

    And he’ll tinker some more for tonight’s game — Paul Janish at shortstop and Jerry Hairston Jr. at third base.

    “Rosey (Rosales) has been struggling (4-48, .083) and I’m getting a lefthanded bat in there (Richar),” said Baker. “I’ll probably play Janish tomorrow. If they’re here, they are going to play.”

    Taveras, batting .104 in his last 26 games, is on a program of extra hitting, “To find his rhythm. We’re going to the cage every day until he gets it. Some of the pressures he puts on himself are unnecessary, but it is a reality,” said Baker.

    A rotation opening

    It is ironic that when Homer Bailey gets his second chance this season Saturday, he gets a second chance at the Cleveland Indians, too.

    Bailey made one start for the Reds and it was May 23 at home against the Indians and it was disastrous — 4 1/3 innings, six earned runs, three hits, six walks. He didn’t get the loss, but the Reds did, 7-6.

    Bailey, 8-5 with a 2.71 ERA at Class AAA Louisville, has won five of his last six starts and pitched scoreless outings in three of the last five, giving up only one run in his last start.

    With the news of Volquez’s expected prolonged absence, the Saturday start won’t be a one-shot deal.

    Baker and the Reds aren’t anointing Bailey yet, but it is his turn Saturday. And Baker acknowledged that, “Yeah, whoever starts Saturday could get more than one. But whoever it is needs to give us some quality.”

    A chance meeting

    With everything surrounding Joey Votto and his stress/depression over his father’s death, Baker had a surreal event for lunch Wednesday.

    A friend took Baker to lunch and it became an unbelievable coincidence. Lunch was at a place owned by former NHL player Shayne Corson. What Baker didn’t know until he talked to Corson was that he suffered stress and depression after his father died young. Corson left his team and missed a playoff game.

    “He had anxiety,” said Baker. “I had a nice talk with him. That’s way coincidental, just happened. He told me his dad passed away at 42 or 45. It was almost like the meeting was planned, not by me. But it was planned by somebody.”

    Quote of the day

    An unusual heat wave is enveloping Toronto and pitcher Arthur Rhodes told Brandon Phillips he almost walked to lunch, but it was too hot, to which Phillips said, “Good thing you didn’t. You would have come back looking like a melted Hershey’s Kiss.”
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    You can probably thank the WBC for this injury. Shut him down for the season. This season is about cooked anyway. No need to risk further injury for a lost cause season.

    Hilarious quote from Phillips!
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    You can probably thank the WBC for this injury. Shut him down for the season. This season is about cooked anyway. No need to risk further injury for a lost cause season.

    Hilarious quote from Phillips!
    Why does everyone insist on blaming the WBC for injuries? There is absolutely no proof to back up those assertions and quite frankly they are counterintuitive--pitching occurs in spring training too, you know. Injuries are just as likely in spring training as they are at the WBC. Not to mention pitch limits: 65 per game for the prelims, 95 for the last two rounds.

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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by reds1869 View Post
    Why does everyone insist on blaming the WBC for injuries? There is absolutely no proof to back up those assertions and quite frankly they are counterintuitive--pitching occurs in spring training too, you know. Injuries are just as likely in spring training as they are at the WBC. Not to mention pitch limits: 65 per game for the prelims, 95 for the last two rounds.
    It's not really proof, but I'm inclined to think that guys throw harder in the WBC than they would in spring training.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    I agree on shutting him down for now but it's possible that Volquez could be back in Aug/Sept. I just don't want him rushed.

    Great quote by Phillips. Kinda sounds like something I might say.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    I think shutting him down for the season at this point may be jumping the gun. Let's get him reevaluated in a couple of weeks and see where he stands. My guess is he comes back in early-to-mid August.

    Regardless, Bailey is now in the rotation to stay. If Arroyo is moved, you can replace him with either Maloney or Lehr until EV comes back. I'd prefer to see a little bit more of Maloney, but who knows? Either way, it's safe to say the hope of contending this year is fading fast.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    I bet Volquez gets surgury.. This is such typical Reds/Doc Hollywood protocol.

    At first, it's day to day.. then it becomes "more serious than expected". Then an ill advised short burst of playing time, and then the player goes to the operating table.

    Just a hunch, but I'm expecting more bad news.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I bet Volquez gets surgury.. This is such typical Reds/Doc Hollywood protocol.

    At first, it's day to day.. then it becomes "more serious than expected". Then an ill advised short burst of playing time, and then the player goes to the operating table.

    Just a hunch, but I'm expecting more bad news.
    That is the way of it with professional sports. You test, intitial diagnosis rest, see if it gets better, run more tests if not, getting more invasive each time. There is better diagnostic equipment than ever before, but it is still true that you don't really know what is going on internally until you open someone up, which is always the last resort, still. I don't see it as unique to "Reds/Doc Hollywood protocol."

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    Shame on any Reds fan who thinks this is 'worse than expected'. There is a significant issue with diagnosis or honesty within the organization. Neither of them are pleasing to Reds fans.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
    Shame on any Reds fan who thinks this is 'worse than expected'. There is a significant issue with diagnosis or honesty within the organization. Neither of them are pleasing to Reds fans.
    Speak for yourself, please.

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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Speak for yourself, please.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
    Shame on any Reds fan who thinks this is 'worse than expected'. There is a significant issue with diagnosis or honesty within the organization. Neither of them are pleasing to Reds fans.

    Yep, I can't remember a time in recent history when a player got hurt and they just came out and said "We are going to rest him and see what happens, but it's probably going to result in surgery". It's always day to day, false hope that the player will be back in a couple days, then a couple weeks,etc. My guess is they don't want to risk hurting ticket sales.

    It was pure malpractice allowing Jr to pinch hit when he could barely walk. Think of the potential damage that did to the franchise during the Jr era.. If they were conservative, Jr might've had a much more productive career.

    Kearns' "blister" (which later needed surgery, and obviously was much more serious) is another example of the dishonesty that has been shown in the past.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yep, I can't remember a time in recent history when a player got hurt and they just came out and said "We are going to rest him and see what happens, but it's probably going to result in surgery". It's always day to day, false hope that the player will be back in a couple days, then a couple weeks,etc. My guess is they don't want to risk hurting ticket sales.

    So, when someone gets hurt, you expect them to perform surgery right away, even if rest and rehab could solve the problem? Surgery is always a last resort. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but they always try to do whatever they can before they operate.

    As for hurting ticket sales, I'm not sure that's possible.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yep, I can't remember a time in recent history when a player got hurt and they just came out and said "We are going to rest him and see what happens, but it's probably going to result in surgery". It's always day to day, false hope that the player will be back in a couple days, then a couple weeks,etc. My guess is they don't want to risk hurting ticket sales.

    It was pure malpractice allowing Jr to pinch hit when he could barely walk. Think of the potential damage that did to the franchise during the Jr era.. If they were conservative, Jr might've had a much more productive career.

    Kearns' "blister" (which later needed surgery, and obviously was much more serious) is another example of the dishonesty that has been shown in the past.
    I think you have a bizarre fixation with the Reds medical staff.
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    Re: Volquez Worse than expected!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yep, I can't remember a time in recent history when a player got hurt and they just came out and said "We are going to rest him and see what happens, but it's probably going to result in surgery". It's always day to day, false hope that the player will be back in a couple days, then a couple weeks,etc. My guess is they don't want to risk hurting ticket sales.

    It was pure malpractice allowing Jr to pinch hit when he could barely walk. Think of the potential damage that did to the franchise during the Jr era.. If they were conservative, Jr might've had a much more productive career.

    Kearns' "blister" (which later needed surgery, and obviously was much more serious) is another example of the dishonesty that has been shown in the past.
    This term was thrown around in a recent thread about Walt Jocketty and how he likely made a mistake on the Taveras acquisition. Some people complained about the use of the term, but were told that it was simply a way of saying that Walt really made a blunder. I can buy that, but applying that word to Dr. Kremchek carries a great deal of gravitas, and you had better be prepared to back it up legally.
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