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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    This looks to me primarily like a favor to Hopper and to the Sox and a way to open up playing time for Chris Heisey. I've no problem with any of those, and I wish Hopper the best.
    That's what I suggested earlier. And I sort of agree that Miller may well be as much coach as he is catcher. But that's purely conjecture on my part.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    This is how I envisioned this thread:

    Poster 1: Norris Hopper was traded for Corky Miller

    Poster 2: Hmmmm.... Corky Miller what an obscure reference.

    /End thread

    Never did I see 5 pages of analyzing the merits of a complete and utter depth trade happening.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    in 2002 with Cincinnati he hit .026


    looks like he will fit right in
    great line, Made the whole thread worth reading.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    I once called Corky Miller the worst baseball player I have ever seen.

    True story.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I once called Corky Miller the worst baseball player I have ever seen.

    True story.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    I'm not sure I understand any kind of hand wringing over losing Norris Hopper.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    I wasn't around when the board soured on Hopper, apparently. All I know is that he hit like .330 in 07 and then got buried.

    Can someone enlighten me? I never remember Hopper being anything other than a better version of one Willy Taveras.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by Plus Plus View Post
    I wasn't around when the board soured on Hopper, apparently. All I know is that he hit like .330 in 07 and then got buried.

    Can someone enlighten me? I never remember Hopper being anything other than a better version of one Willy Taveras.
    Hopper has always gotten on base via push bunt. I'm not sure he can even swing a bat.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190 View Post
    Hopper has always gotten on base via push bunt. I'm not sure he can even swing a bat.
    Hopper also made Willy look like Magellan based on some of the routes he (NoHo) took to the ball.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190 View Post
    Hopper has always gotten on base via push bunt. I'm not sure he can even swing a bat.
    Redzone analysis:

    push bunt = bad
    walk = good

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by Plus Plus View Post
    Can someone enlighten me? I never remember Hopper being anything other than a better version of one Willy Taveras.
    I got blasted in the offseason for suggesting that Hopper, with his career .406 OBP vs. LH, should platoon in CF with Dickerson this year.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Redzone analysis:

    push bunt = bad
    walk = good
    Cesar Geronimo analysis:

    making an out = bad
    making it to first = good

    chance of making it to first with a push bunt = 20 to 30 percent
    chance of making it to first on a walk = 100 percent

    yes, I prefer the walk

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CesarGeronimo View Post
    Cesar Geronimo analysis:

    making an out = bad
    making it to first = good

    chance of making it to first with a push bunt = 20 to 30 percent
    chance of making it to first on a walk = 100 percent

    yes, I prefer the walk
    Is there some new rule that says you can only do one or the other. The only reason I am even following this thread is because I am assuming that this is where someone will post if CHris Heisey has been called up to Louisville. If that is not the case I will start ignoring this thread.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by CesarGeronimo View Post
    Cesar Geronimo analysis:

    making an out = bad
    making it to first = good

    chance of making it to first with a push bunt = 20 to 30 percent
    chance of making it to first on a walk = 100 percent
    Hopper got on base on 61% of his bunts (not 20-30%). Show me a player who walks 61% of the time.

    You missed the rather obvious point, which is, it doesn't matter how you get to first, a bunt is as good as a walk.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Hopper got on base on 61% of his bunts (not 20-30%). Show me a player who walks 61% of the time.

    You missed the rather obvious point, which is, it doesn't matter how you get to first, a bunt is as good as a walk.
    Show me a player who gets on base via bunt hits 61% of the time in 600 ABs rather than 40-odd ABs.


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