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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Show me a player who gets on base via bunt hits 61% of the time in 600 ABs rather than 40-odd ABs.
    Lots of people do it. Why do you think so many hitters consistently bat over .500?

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    For the record, Norris Hopper is 2 for 6 on bunts this year in AAA with 1 sac bunt (so likely 2 for 7 because we know Hopper was going for the hit, but just happened to be thrown out).
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Show me a player who gets on base via bunt hits 61% of the time in 600 ABs rather than 40-odd ABs.
    Makes you wonder how he managed a .370 OBP if he only bunted in 40-odd ABs.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Makes you wonder how he managed a .370 OBP if he only bunted in 40-odd ABs.
    I don't wonder about that. What I wonder about is, if he's so good, why has he never gotten 600 ABs in his career, let alone a single season.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Lance's idea regarding why he never received 600 PAs in a season was because after his emergence in '07 (hitting .425 or something in August, and .350 after the ASB as a starter) he got buried and wasnt one of "Dusty's Guys." He received like 50 PAs in 08 and wasn't even on the 40-man this year. He was brought in by a regime in the past and had "nobody to fight for him." Again, this is Lance's idea, not my own.

    I struggle to think of many players who hit .330 over half of a season and like .425 in a month as a starter that get flat-out dumped, though.

    Nate, I don't think people are arguing that Hopper is a great talent or a star player potentially or even a MLB starting level player on 20+ teams. However, I think you could argue that he easily belongs on a MLB roster as a 3rd or 4th outfielder, given his MLB production (albeit in a small sample size).
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Reds currently have Bruce, Dickerson, Gomes, Nix, Dorn, Stubbs, and Heisey (in addition to you know who). Next year if Alonso is ready to go, we might add Votto to that list and possibly also Frazier. That's as many as 9 guys who would have to come ahead of Hopper for outfield spots. How could he be on our roster?

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    My statement was more in reference to the offseason after 07 moreso than it was about the trade itself. I agree that Hopper had little to no future with the Reds at this point.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    i wasn't a major hopper fan...but c'mon...he is light years better than Miller. the reds are pretty stacked on the OF front so it's not likely hopper was going to see any PT...but still. i have to think they could've done better than miller.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by Plus Plus View Post
    Lance's idea regarding why he never received 600 PAs in a season was because after his emergence in '07 (hitting .425 or something in August, and .350 after the ASB as a starter) he got buried and wasnt one of "Dusty's Guys." He received like 50 PAs in 08 and wasn't even on the 40-man this year. He was brought in by a regime in the past and had "nobody to fight for him." Again, this is Lance's idea, not my own.

    I struggle to think of many players who hit .330 over half of a season and like .425 in a month as a starter that get flat-out dumped, though.

    Nate, I don't think people are arguing that Hopper is a great talent or a star player potentially or even a MLB starting level player on 20+ teams. However, I think you could argue that he easily belongs on a MLB roster as a 3rd or 4th outfielder, given his MLB production (albeit in a small sample size).
    Personally, I don't think Dusty would bury a > .330 hitter.

    NoHo was an OK player but he was so deep on the depth chart that one would need to dive the Navy tables and spend a week decompressing in the chamber just to get him. This move isn't a talent swap, it's an organizational flexibility swap.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Personally, I don't think Dusty would bury a > .330 hitter.

    NoHo was an OK player but he was so deep on the depth chart that one would need to dive the Navy tables and spend a week decompressing in the chamber just to get him. This move isn't a talent swap, it's an organizational flexibility swap.
    Exactly a player we have no need for, for a player they have no need for.
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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Personally, I don't think Dusty would bury a > .330 hitter.
    NoHo was an OK player but he was so deep on the depth chart that one would need to dive the Navy tables and spend a week decompressing in the chamber just to get him. This move isn't a talent swap, it's an organizational flexibility swap.
    We have no proof of that. We do, however, have proof that Dusty will give a sub-.600 OPSer start after start after start. That speaks volumes to me.

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    Re: Reds trade Norris Hopper for Corky Miller

    You know there's not much going on when this thread is six pages long.
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